NEW EPISODE - The Stock Market Is Moving Onchain | Ian De Bode Tokenized stocks are having their breakout moment. @iandebode joins @TrustlessState to unpack how @OndoFinance brought $SPCX stock onchain within minutes of trading, why real stock market liquidity matters more than shallow DEX pools, and how tokenized equities could become collateral for the next generation of perps, portfolios, and DeFi trading. TIMESTAMPS --- 0:00 Ondo’s RWA Moment 1:17 How SpaceX Stock Hit Ethereum in Minutes 2:57 What Actually Backs a Tokenized Stock? 4:49 The Onchain and Offchain Market Machine 10:29 Where the Demand Comes From 12:46 The Most Popular Tokenized Stocks 14:54 Why Perps Need Better Collateral 20:46 New Strategies for Onchain Asset Management 25:02 The Next 12 to 18 Months 26:14 How Big Can Perps Get? 28:46 Offshore Versus Onshore Perp Markets 32:05 Inside Ondo Perps 36:24 Why Not Build on Hyperliquid? 37:49 Launch Timeline and Early Demand 39:48 Will Wall Street Incumbents Compete or Help? 43:52 Ondo’s 2026 Roadmap 45:22 Remembering Nathan Allman