Marc Benioff, co-founder & CEO of Salesforce: SaaS CEOs hurt by AI-driven valuation resets should stop whining. Public markets rationalize; private valuations are fantasy until paid. Focus on revenue, customers, cash flow, profit, innovation, and value.

Marc Benioff to SaaS CEOs upset about AI hurting their valuations: Grow up, wipe your tears, focus on the customer Chamath: “ Let's say you were running a software company that was before the AI wave and you're private. There's a bunch of these companies that were supposed to go public, (but) didn't go public. What should they do? What do those boards do?” Marc @Benioff: “Here's some Kleenex for them for all their tears. I mean, I talk to these CEOs, they're crying, "Look at my market cap, I'm not getting paid for my work." Guys, grow up. That's what I love about the public markets, they rationalize everything all the time. So great, be in the public markets. You want to be in a private market? Your valuation is fantasyland until somebody's actually going to pay you. So I just tell them, focus on your revenue, focus on your customers, focus on your cash flow, focus on your profitability, focus on your innovation. How are you going to add value to your customers? That's what's really, truly important.”

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🚨 POD UP! HAPPY FRIDAY! Bestie Guestie Marc Benioff (@Benioff) fills in for Sacks A LOT covered on this one: -- Trump-Xi Summit: Trade, Taiwan, midterms impact -- AI's impact on software: What thrives and what dies? -- OpenAI could sue Apple over failed ChatGPT integration -- Thinking Machines drops new model, future of AI is multi-sensory -- BIG Science Corner on a potentially devastating El Nino (0:00) Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff joins the show! (1:14) Trump-Xi summit, doing business in China as a US company, impact on Americans and the midterms (18:46) Taiwan, chips, AI models, and peace through trade (31:41) AI's impact on software: What SaaS thrives, what SaaS dies? (47:26) OpenAI is considering suing Apple over failed ChatGPT integration (56:54) Thinking Machines releases real-time model, future of consumer AI, multi-sensory models (1:02:24) Science Corner: Impacts of a historically strong El Nino in 2026 (1:11:40) Anthropic goes after "Dark SPVs"