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So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast
@freespeechtalk
Take an uncensored look at the world of free expression through personal stories and candid conversations. Created by @TheFIREorg. Hosted by @nicoperrino.
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Imagine being 11 years old and having to explain why your mom fled the country after being accused of terrorism. While much of the world was still praising Hugo Chavez, @iamgermania’s mother was fleeing Venezuela.
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Ep. 284: Venezuela is a cautionary tale w/ Jim Epstein and Germania Rodriguez Poleo For more than half a century, Radio Caracas Televisión, or @rctv, broadcast news, sports, comedies, and telenovelas in Venezuela. Its news coverage was also fiercely critical of President Hugo Chávez. When RCTV’s broadcast license expired, the government refused to renew it. Minutes later, a state-funded channel took its place. RCTV was one target in a broader campaign to silence dissent. Under Hugo Chávez and Nicolás Maduro, the government gradually tightened its grip on the media, punished political dissent, and weakened institutions that had protected democratic freedoms. A new documentary from @reason, Escaping Venezuela, traces the erosion of free speech and press freedom through the story of Carlos Mora, who was imprisoned and tortured after helping Venezuelan dissidents escape to Colombia. Joining @TheFIREorg's @NicoPerrino are director @jimepstein and narrator @iamGermania to discuss the film and how Venezuela’s democratic institutions broke down. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 03:12 Fear and self-censorship under Chavez 07:39 Making Escaping Venezuela 12:53 Germania’s family and the crackdown on journalists 18:41 The destruction of Venezuela’s free press 22:43 How Venezuela silenced dissent 32:56 RCTV as a symbol for press freedom 39:31 Venezuela after Maduro’s capture 44:41 How Venezuela embraced socialism and Chavez came to power 50:13 Venezuelan immigrants and the end of TPS 52:44 Can Venezuela become a democracy again? 01:01:01 Where to watch Escaping Venezuela 01:04:05 Outro
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Justice Brennan withdrew Michael Tigar's Supreme Court clerkship. Years later, Brennan invited him to lunch, apologized, and began a friendship that lasted for years. Then Justice Scalia paid his late colleague an unexpected compliment.
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What makes President Trump’s approach to speech different from past administrations? @RobbySoave points to one distinction: Trump often says what he wants the government to do out loud.
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Trying to silence controversial speech can have the opposite effect. @RobbySoave calls Macklemore’s removal from Ed Sheeran’s tour a prime example of the Streisand effect: Trying to suppress a message can end up drawing even more attention to it.
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Defending a news outlet’s First Amendment rights ≠ endorsing its journalism. The media landscape has changed dramatically. The principle hasn’t.
FIRE Reacts: Trump’s media ban @TheFIREorg staff responds to @POTUS's decision to ban @CNN, @MSNOWNews, and @politico from the White House, with President Trump citing their “constant ‘reporting’” of “FAKE NEWS!” Barring journalists from the White House because of their coverage raises serious First Amendment concerns and strikes at the heart of a free and independent press. FIRE experts break down what happened and answer your questions about the ban. Joining us: @marie_mac99 — SPFI program manager and counsel @jacob_gaba — Staff attorney @aaronterr1 — Director of public advocacy Timestamps 00:00 Intro 02:06 Why does the White House Correspondents Association decide who serves in the White House press pool? 05:32 Can the president ban anyone from the White House? 07:07 Obama and Biden-era restrictions on press access 10:38 Access to the press room vs. being called on to ask a question 11:55 Could TrumpTV have a chilling effect on the press? 13:39 Can the White House reject a reporter but not their news organization? 14:56 What is a temporary restraining order? 17:27 The government’s argument 22:03 National security and the First Amendment 23:57 What if a news organization publishes false information? 27:31 Does the White House have to justify press restrictions? 28:27 Is there something wrong with “a country that can allow people to write purposely negative stories”? 32:04 The scope of the White House restrictions 34:03 Public distrust of the press 36:48 Does restricting press access really address any national security concerns? 39:22 Can future administrations exclude partisan or influencer journalists? 41:05 Is barring journalists from the White House a prior restraint? 42:17 The impacts of a collective media boycott 45:04 Outro
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New tech. Same First Amendment. The government can’t dictate the editorial judgment of a newspaper. @kate_ruane says it shouldn't dictate Facebook’s news feed either.
“We the People” means more than voting every four years. Stephen Solomon says self-government depends on citizens being free to scrutinize, challenge, and criticize the people acting in their name.
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Protest is protected speech. Shouting down speakers so nobody else can hear them isn’t. We said it back in May. FIRE’s 2027 College Free Speech Rankings show why it still matters: 69% of students think violence can sometimes be an acceptable way to stop campus speech. Disagreement is part of the marketplace of ideas. Silencing the marketplace isn’t. Check out the rankings at:
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Turns out, the right book really can change you. New research from Cambridge links reading for pleasure with better attention, memory, empathy, and mental health. For @nicoperrino, A Clockwork Orange changed how he understood language and demonstrated why exposure to challenging books matters.
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Do you enjoy reading? 📚 Whether you like a Jane Austen classic or #Heartstopper#, reading is good for your mental health and wellbeing – and could help protect you from dementia. Find out why 👇 #NationalYearOfReading2026#
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You don’t need to ban the newspaper — just make every crucial story expensive to publish. Defamation lawsuits once threatened to do exactly that. That’s why New York Times v. Sullivan matters.
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Ep. 282: Breaking down our 2027 College Free Speech Rankings Harvard, institutional neutrality, how we determine the rankings, partisan censorship, how schools can improve their ranking, and more! Joining us to break it all down is @TheFIREorg's @NicoPerrino; vp of research Angela Erickson; chief researcher Sean Stevens; general counsel Ronnie London; and campus advocacy chief of staff @ConnorMurnane. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 03:18 Learn about our inaugural Soapbox conference 04:02 Preorder Nico’s book Free Speech Generation 5:00 Check out FIRE’s 2027 College Free Speech rankings 06:05 Who are the top- and bottom-ranked schools? 09:27 What’s new with the Harvard evaluation? 13:08 How does FIRE choose which schools to rank? 13:46 What can universities do to improve their ranking? 15:54 What is institutional neutrality? 18:05 What exactly are students being asked about campus speech? 21:25 How does FIRE make sure defending free speech doesn’t inadvertently protect censorship in the classroom? 25:19 Is campus censorship coming more from the “right” or the “left”? 26:53 Did the University of Washington settlement involving Professor Stuart Reges affect its ranking? 30:45 What does it mean to pre-register our methodology? 31:35 Why did Claremont McKenna drop in the rankings? 33:07 What advice does FIRE have for students at low-ranked schools facing censorship? 36:47 Do politically homogeneous campuses make students more comfortable speaking freely? 40:26 Do low-ranked colleges tell FIRE how they are improving? 42:56 What can administrators do now to improve next year’s ranking? 43:50 Does FIRE account for turnover in university leadership? 45:47 What do the rankings reveal about different student demographic groups? 49:41 Does FIRE account for differences between types of institutions? 52:00 What’s up with MIT? 56:02 Should attacks on tenured professors carry more weight than actions against other faculty? 57:02 Who does FIRE contact when evaluating a university? 58:09 Are there regional patterns in the rankings? 58:57 Were there bigger ranking swings than usual this year? 01:00:44 Outro
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“Protecting the public good” sounds nice. But it also sounds like a phrase that can justify a lot of censorship. Stephen Solomon warns that once lawmakers have broad power over speech in the name of “the public good,” that power can stretch very far, very fast.
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Ep. 281: What’s the First Amendment’s original meaning? w/ Jud Campbell and Stephen Solomon The First Amendment is only 45 words long. But more than 200 years and thousands of court decisions later, we’re still arguing over a basic question: what do those words mean — and what did they mean to the early Americans who adopted them? To look through history and debate what originalism can — and can’t — tell us about the First Amendment’s free speech clause, @TheFIREorg's @NicoPerrino is joined by @StanfordLaw's Jud Campbell and @nyuniversity's Stephen Solomon. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:20 Original meaning and modern First Amendment doctrine 09:12 Would the founders recognize our Constitution today? 16:00 The Alien and Sedition Acts 20:21 How the founding generation practiced free speech 24:35 Can we define “originalism”? 32:05 Representative government and the promise of liberty 45:00 The First Amendment’s absolute language 51:36 New York Times v. Sullivan 58:01 Amending the First Amendment 01:04:30 Outro
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Age verification sounds like something that affects kids. Until you have to scan your face or upload your ID to use social media. @kate_ruane’s point: To identify minors, platforms may have to identify everybody. That changes the privacy equation fast.
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Social media may not have a monopoly on the addiction debate. @joellthayer says AI can create some of the same dependency concerns we’re already debating with social media.
“Protect kids from harmful content.” Okay — but who decides what counts as harmful? LGBTQ issues? Guns? Religion? Climate change? @kate_ruane says that’s how a child-safety rule can turn into a government-approved internet.
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In 2017, I attended the funeral of the late, great civil libertarian Nat Hentoff. I realized then that a generation of Americans who secured some of our greatest free speech victories was quickly retiring from the barricades. It's hard to appreciate just how profound those victories were. Prior to their arrival, Americans were routinely arrested for criticizing government officials, protesting wars, distributing birth control literature, and engaging in other expression that we take for granted is protected today. In one case, author Upton Sinclair was arrested for reading the First Amendment aloud while protesting in support of striking California dockworkers. The arresting officer told him, "We’ll have none of that Constitution stuff.” This censorship happened despite clear state and federal constitutional protections for free speech. After all, the First Amendment says, "Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech." Today, America's free speech protections actually mean something. They are the strongest in the world. So strong, in fact, that Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan worries they've become "weaponized." What's more, free speech has become a defining characteristic of American culture. One British commentator recently remarked that Americans have an “almost religious-like commitment to free speech” that is hard for foreigners to understand. So how did free speech go from an unfulfilled promise to something Americans see as their most important freedom? That's the story my book seeks to tell, and it's now available for preorder. Writing a book is hard, but it's been nice to think through some of the hardest questions with you all. From coming up with a title to designing the cover, I've benefited from "the wisdom of the crowd." So thank you for the help. If you are at all inclined to continue supporting the project, preorders are the best way to do so. They signal to retailers, the media, and publishers that a book deserves more attention ahead of its release. I would greatly appreciate that support. Onward!
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Ep. 277: Ada Palmer on the history of censorship from the Renaissance to AI Censorship is often associated with authoritarian governments. But throughout history, efforts to control ideas have taken many different forms — and they haven't always come from the state. In this episode, @TheFIREorg's @NicoPerrino sits down with @UChicago's professor @Ada_Palmer to explore the history of censorship from the Renaissance to the present day. They discuss what motivates censorship, why it evolves alongside new communication technologies, how effective it has been throughout history, and what historical patterns can teach us about today’s free speech debates. Ada Palmer is a professor of early modern European history at the University of Chicago and the author of Inventing the Renaissance: Myths of a Golden Age. She is also an acclaimed science fiction and fantasy author, composer, singer, and expert on anime and Japanese popular culture. Visit her website to read her blog and explore her other projects. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:29 Palmer’s interest in censorship 03:13 Renaissance censorship 13:15 The Inquisition and Jansenism 22:50 The blurry line between state and private censorship 31:35 Fear and self-censorship 35:12 Does America hide its censorship efforts? 38:45 The case of Giovanni Pico della Mirandola 43:50 Will AI change censorship? 53:36 Censorship will always be with us 01:06:47 Are you a free speech absolutist? 01:13:46 Outro
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