Fred Lambert(@FredLambert):This is an interesting discussion on camera and lidar as sensors for autonomy, but what's striking to me is that engineers like @Bastien_Theron and @bucksaucee are trying to have a real discussion around the usefulness of lidar in a sensor suite, while @wholemars and @yunta_tsai are just looking to justify a decision made by @elonmusk a long time ago that has since painted Tesla into a corner regarding lidar. It's not a real conversation. I'm sure, in fact, I know that some engineers at Tesla would like to be able to use lidar in their sensor suite, but they can't even consider it.

2026.10.07 13:24

This is an interesting discussion on camera and lidar as sensors for autonomy, but what's striking to me is that engineers like @Bastien_Theron and @bucksaucee are trying to have a real discussion around the usefulness of lidar in a sensor suite, while @wholemars and @yunta_tsai are just looking to justify a decision made by @elonmusk a long time ago that has since painted Tesla into a corner regarding lidar. It's not a real conversation. I'm sure, in fact, I know that some engineers at Tesla would like to be able to use lidar in their sensor suite, but they can't even consider it.

Brandon Buckley@bucksaucee

2026.10.05 17:55

@yunta_tsai @Bastien_Theron @wholemars Using raw lidar data is exactly the same as showing raw RGB camera data for every pixel and saying "tell me what you see here". Let's not deceive the public. Here's a 100% lidar-only scene. Let the people decide for themselves what they see.