Brave of Coxon to do a long-form, 25-minute interview with one of the biggest stars in the world and without hedging, without caveats, make the case for the dystopian utopia of universal luxurious jobless purposelessness if AI goes right. But he’s wrong thinking billions of working people and people in poverty will gladly trade a radical loss of meaning—through zero human production of art, music, science or indeed of anything—for improved quality of life (through a high-income UBI). Stewart is right that humans take great meaning from work. He is not arguing that people take great meaning from poverty. We are Homo faber, man the maker. The utopia most want is an end to poverty, inequality and domination, not an end to work and meaning.