My conversation with Mati Staniszewski (@mati), co-founder of @ElevenLabs. 0:00 Building an AI-Native Company Before ChatGPT 2:59 Why ElevenLabs Started With Audio & Dubbing 12:37 Research + Product Deployment: How ElevenLabs Is Built 16:15 Focus as a Competitive Advantage 18:47 Building an Ecosystem Around Voice 22:25 The Communication Platform & Deutsche Telekom 28:29 Forward Deployed Engineers & Lessons From Palantir 33:41 Flat Organizations, Transparency & AI-Native Management 37:19 Small Teams & Putting Engineers Everywhere 43:00 Where ElevenLabs Is Growing Fastest 44:38 Taste, Art & Science in AI 48:23 Using AI to Amplify Human Potential 55:19 Becoming an Entrepreneur & Building With Piotr 56:49 Why Mati Won't Sell ElevenLabs 1:04:01 Voice as the Interface for AI 1:06:49 Turning Conferences Into a Business Tool Includes paid partnerships.