My first interview with Josh Swihart, founder and CEO of Zcash Open Development Lab (ZODL). 0:00 Intro 0:45 Zcash was objectively dying 3:36 What revived Zcash 7:11 Swaps: the killer feature 8:41 What was broken at ECC 10:54 A dev fund that looks like a government 11:30 The fork excuse 12:20 Why ECC went for-profit 13:34 Balaji: too big to kill 16:05 Zodl's roadmap 16:44 The parallel polis 18:25 Building a parallel financial system 19:10 Seed phrases are antiquated 21:57 Desktop wallet, multisig & time locks 24:50 Bitcoin has been captured 26:21 Bitcoiners hedging into Zcash 27:00 How Zcash avoids capture 29:25 Do ETFs matter? 30:25 The biggest Bitcoin maximalist lie 31:58 Bitcoin's quantum problem 34:35 Peter Todd and the soundness bug 36:35 Will Zcash overtake Bitcoin? 37:23 Zcash in the hands of billions 37:39 Store of value vs. currency 38:43 Should the transparent pool die? 41:19 Exchanges have no excuse (Gemini vs. Coinbase) 44:00 Quantum recoverability & the post-quantum roadmap 45:58 The most secure place to store funds 46:19 Tap-to-pay, Flexa & CrossPay 49:08 Stablecoins as the Trojan horse 49:52 Outro