Yes, our latest special guest is Fuli Luo @_LuoFuli . The second battle in the global large model arms race has begun: shifting from the Chat era dominated by pre-training to the Agent era driven by post-training. This marks Fuli Luo’s first-ever interview, as well as her first in-depth technical conversation. We talked systematically about the massive AI upheaval triggered by technological breakthroughs including Claude Opus 4.6 and OpenClaw in 2026, along with its subsequent structural impacts across the industry. Amid the fierce large-model arms race, the world around us is undergoing brutally rapid changes—even for researchers who train models firsthand. “I used to believe our work was highly creative, and could never be simplified into fixed skills or standardized workflows. But now I realize it can be automated after all. If that’s possible, can models train stronger models on their own? Can they achieve iterative improvement through self-evolution? This is exactly what will unfold in the next couple of years,” Fuli Luo says. As human knowledge and wisdom are internalized into model capabilities, what will humanity pursue in the future? Is our society truly ready for this tsunami-scale technological revolution? All in all, this is an information-dense dialogue. It reveals how an AI lab makes strategic technical bets, allocates resources, and adjusts organizational structure and team planning amid a major paradigm shift. At the core of its response to drastic change lies its established culture and core values. Though lengthy and technically intensive, we hope this conversation brings great insights to every viewer. Our podcast, video episode and article are released simultaneously across platforms, with English subtitles provided to assist non-Chinese-speaking audiences. Luo Fuli: OpenClaw, Agent Frameworks — The AI Paradigm Has Already Chang... 来自 @YouTube