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AI Dance
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China AI insider | Silicon Valley Decoded 一边盯硅谷,一边扒中国AI 算法 + VC 双视角 · 讲人话 📬 aidance.info@gmail.com
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H200 这事最魔幻的地方在于,美中两边都搞不清自己到底想要啥。 美国这边:一派觉得"绝不能卖,卖了就是养虎";另一派觉得"必须卖,让中国 AI 继续依赖英伟达,华为才起不来"。两派吵到最后,USTR 出来说一句"进不进口是中国的主权决定",翻译过来就是:我们问了,中国不要,那算了。 中国这边更乱:商务部和发改委希望 DeepSeek、阿里能买到卡好好卷;网信办和安全口怕芯片里塞后门、塞定位;本人估计还想让 AI 公司"吃点苦",逼着用国产卡,把华为昇腾的市场养起来。(近是转发概括) 结果就是一个荒诞的局面:中国阴差阳错拿到了最优解。明面上市场保护住了,国产芯片有了喘息空间;暗地里 AI 公司该租租、该走私走私,前沿模型一个没少训。两头通吃。 英伟达 CEO 飞过来谈了半天,回头一看:京东上 RTX PRO 6000 96G 9.2 万人民币明码标价挂着卖,挂完两小时下架,这就是今天中国 AI 算力市场的真实状态。
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What the hell is going on with H200 chip sales to China? A bizarre confluence of internal fights within the U.S. and Chinese governments has led to an extremely confusing situation—whereby China may graciously “agree” to import the Nvidia chips its AI labs desperately need, while also framing this as some sort of “concession” the United States should be thankful for. Here’s what’s actually going on: Chinese AI labs desperately need American compute, which is why they’ve been renting or outright smuggling huge numbers of Nvidia-designed chips from third countries. A lack of computational power continues to materially constrain Chinese AI labs’ ability to train frontier models and serve them to global publics. But not every part of the Chinese Communist Party cares equally about the plight of the country’s AI labs. In fact, different segments of the CCP are optimizing for different security and development objectives: While economy-promoting organs like the Ministry of Commerce (MOFCOM) and the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) generally want labs like DeepSeek and Alibaba to succeed in building and selling more capable AI services, cadres in the Cyberspace Affairs Commission (CAC) and across the Chinese security services are deeply wary of importing U.S.-designed hardware, fearing U.S. chips might contain back-doors or location-tracking features that could jeopardize China’s national security. Still some other offices—and, I believe, Xi Jinping personally—worry primarily about accelerating China’s indigenization of every part of the semiconductor supply chain—and would rather see Chinese AI labs eat the bitter medicine (吃苦) of temporary chip scarcity, so long as it helps to create a captive market for Chinese chipmakers in the medium-term. The U.S. government, for its part, has had its own disagreements about the wisdom of export control. While it would seem truly idiotic to sell Chinese AI labs the single resource they need to build AI systems that threaten the United States or compete with U.S. companies like @OpenAI, @Anthropic, and @Google in international markets, some parts of the Trump administration are—like parts of the CCP—optimizing for a different objective: A prevailing faction within the Trump administration believes it can disrupt Huawei’s position within the Chinese chip market by keeping China “dependent” on American hardware. Under this worldview, successfully persuading the Chinese government to approve the import of Nvidia’s H200s would be a “win” for American industry. This has led to a bizarre situation where different sets of officials across both governments simultaneously view the sale of H200s to China as a “concession” to be fought for and/or guarded against. USTR Greer’s comment that the import of H200s would be China’s own “sovereign decision” suggests to me that the United States probably asked China to approve their import, CCP security services refused, and the United States opted not to press the issue further. At the end of the day, China’s AI labs remain compute-constrained and will continue desperately trying to gain access to American chips, regardless of whether they may be imported legally—and this will be broadly tolerated by the CCP. Though it probably did not mean to, China has managed to accidentally achieve the best of both worlds: a captive hardware market protected from competitive U.S. exports, and a software industry quietly empowered to rent or smuggle whatever resources it needs to chase the American frontier.
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