Grusch was talking about the orbs on Joe Rogan. They are not a modern phenomenon... People have been seeing glowing spheres for thousands of years. And some spiritual traditions taught that the final stage of a human being is to become light. Pliny the Elder recorded a "burning shield scattering sparks" crossing the sky at sunset, from west to east. In Japan, the floating balls of fire seen at night had a name: hitodama. It literally means "human soul." At Fatima in 1917, a priest watched "a luminous globe" gliding "slowly and majestically through space." Now look at the mystics. In Tibetan Dzogchen, the highest practice begins with visions of spheres of light called thigle. Over the years, they grow and multiply. The end of the path is the rainbow body: at death, the physical body dissolves into light, leaving only hair and nails. Dzogchen even calls the nature of reality "thigle nyagchig" — the single sphere. In 1998, witnesses said the body of Khenpo A Chö shrank under its shroud for a week while rainbows appeared over his hut. In the end, nothing remained. Christianity points in the same direction. On Mount Tabor, Jesus' face "did shine as the sun." Paul wrote that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God." Orthodox icons depict the transfigured Christ inside concentric circles of light, and the Church calls that light God's uncreated energy. An Egyptian Desert Father once raised his hands. His fingers became "like ten lamps of fire," and he said: "If you will, you can become all flame." A Catholic priest, Father Francis Tiso, traveled to Tibet to investigate the 1998 case. His book is titled Rainbow Body and Resurrection. Two traditions, thousands of kilometers apart. Same destination: the body becomes light.