张小珺 Xiaojun Zhang
@zhang_benita
Award-winning tech journalist · Host of Zhang Xiaojun Podcast
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周末是最好的学习时间
Weekends are the best time for studying🙇🏻
【对罗福莉的3.5小时访谈：AI范式已然巨变！OpenClaw、智能体框架、Agent范式很吃Post-train、卡的分配比例、巨变下的组织-哔哩哔哩】
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一位AI研究员，猜猜是谁？
An AI researcher, guess who? 👀
这期张小珺的播客又是很精彩的一期。主角是00后”华人女孩洪乐潼（Carina Hong @CarinaLHong )。
洪乐潼创办的 Axiom 是一家专注于 AI for Math（数学人工智能） 的前沿实验室，目前估值已达 16 亿美元，旨在利用 Lean 形式化语言 打造具备深层逻辑推理能力的“AI 数学家”。该公司开发的系统在普特南数学竞赛（Putnam Competition）中斩获满分。其核心愿景是通过形式化验证技术消除 AI 幻觉，并将这种严密的逻辑能力应用到芯片设计验证、代码安全和科学发现等高价值商业领域
洪在访谈中表现了超出其24岁年龄的对人生的感悟，凭记忆想几点：
Free Attention（自由注意力）
比起被邮件和任务填满的“受限注意力”，她更看重像爱因斯坦洗澡时间一样的“自由注意力”。她怀念小时候走路上学时那种“不线性”的思考时间，认为这才是拉开人与人之间差距、产生灵感和直觉的关键。
Collaborative Tribes（协作部落）
她拒绝被驯化成竞争者，讨厌内卷的“零和游戏”。
从初中起，她就喜欢寻找志同道合的“小部落”，通过群策群力去解决像“马步棋”或高等数学那样的“正和游戏”。
她认为，最好的领导力不是拿着喇叭喊话，而是成为那个在后方递水的服务者。
对“苦难”上瘾，将“失败”默认化
她直言，优秀的创始人大多“对苦难上瘾”（Addicted to suffering）。她习惯性地把自己放在“最愚蠢”的位置，将失败设为默认选项（Default），所以她能永远保持乐观。
正如她所说，这种持续不在舒适区的状态，才是对人最有塑造力的体验。
这种“极致乐观但时刻准备着失败”的韧性，会让这位年轻的数学天才在AI浪潮中走得更远。
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现场阳光真好
The sunlight here is so nice ☀️
有观众说，这个访谈是“2026年春晚”；
也有观众说，他的单次观看视频时间最长的记录是连看三部《指环王》，这个视频在挑战他的极限。
有人挑战马拉松完成嘛～😉
Some viewers said this interview was like the 2026 Spring Festival Gala.
Others said their longest single video-watching record was watching all three The Lord of the Rings movies in a row, and this video is pushing their limits.
Did anyone finish watching it like running a marathon?
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和@sainingxie 一起挑战7小时播客！他刚和Yann LeCun踏上“世界模型”的创业旅程（AMI Labs）。这是他第一次Podcast、第一次访谈。
2026年2月雪后的一天，我们在纽约布鲁克林，从下午2点，开启了一场始料未及的马拉松式访谈，直到凌晨时分散去。
这篇访谈的中文标题叫做《逃出硅谷》，但他又不厌其烦地枚举了影响他学术生涯的每一个人，并反反复复口头描摹这些人的人物特征（侯晓迪、何恺明、杨立昆、李飞飞…）正是这些，让这篇“逃出硅谷”的对话充斥着人性的温度。
By the way, 下面是访谈的YouTube版本，我们提供了中英字幕。
And yes, 我们是在用播客给这个世界建模😎
A 7-hour podcast with Saining Xie. He has just begun a new journey on world models with Yann LeCun at AMI Labs.
This was his first podcast appearance and his first long-form interview.
A day after the snowfall in February 2026, in Brooklyn, New York, we started recording at 2 p.m. What followed became an unexpected marathon conversation that lasted until the early hours of the morning.
The Chinese title of the interview is “Escaping Silicon Valley.” Yet throughout the conversation, he patiently listed the people who shaped his academic life, repeatedly sketching their personalities in vivid detail: Hou Xiaodi, Kaiming He, Yann LeCun, Fei-Fei Li, and others. These portraits are what give this “escape from Silicon Valley” conversation its human warmth.
By the way, the YouTube version of the interview is below, with Chinese and English subtitles.
And yes, we are using podcasts to model the world 😎
A 7-hour marathon interview with Saining Xie: World Models, AMI Labs, Ya... 来自 @YouTube
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和@sainingxie 一起挑战7小时播客！他刚和Yann LeCun踏上“世界模型”的创业旅程（AMI Labs）。这是他第一次Podcast、第一次访谈。
2026年2月雪后的一天，我们在纽约布鲁克林，从下午2点，开启了一场始料未及的马拉松式访谈，直到凌晨时分散去。
这篇访谈的中文标题叫做《逃出硅谷》，但他又不厌其烦地枚举了影响他学术生涯的每一个人，并反反复复口头描摹这些人的人物特征（侯晓迪、何恺明、杨立昆、李飞飞…）正是这些，让这篇“逃出硅谷”的对话充斥着人性的温度。
By the way, 下面是访谈的YouTube版本，我们提供了中英字幕。
And yes, 我们是在用播客给这个世界建模😎
A 7-hour podcast with Saining Xie. He has just begun a new journey on world models with Yann LeCun at AMI Labs.
This was his first podcast appearance and his first long-form interview.
A day after the snowfall in February 2026, in Brooklyn, New York, we started recording at 2 p.m. What followed became an unexpected marathon conversation that lasted until the early hours of the morning.
The Chinese title of the interview is “Escaping Silicon Valley.” Yet throughout the conversation, he patiently listed the people who shaped his academic life, repeatedly sketching their personalities in vivid detail: Hou Xiaodi, Kaiming He, Yann LeCun, Fei-Fei Li, and others. These portraits are what give this “escape from Silicon Valley” conversation its human warmth.
By the way, the YouTube version of the interview is below, with Chinese and English subtitles.
And yes, we are using podcasts to model the world 😎
A 7-hour marathon interview with Saining Xie: World Models, AMI Labs, Ya... 来自 @YouTube
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