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Percy Liang
@percyliang
professor of computer science @Stanford @stanfordnlp, co-founder of @togethercompute, creator of co-founder of @simile_ai, pianist
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The most important word here is *ecosystem*. It's not just about having an open-weight model. Open-weight models are a means to an end. To have a truly strong, open ecosystem, we need four critical frontier-level ingredients: open-weight models, open training datasets, open software stacks, and open process knowledge. Few people realize that NVIDIA actually has been pushing beyond open weights by releasing code and datasets for their Nemotron models, which is something open-weight model developers don't do. Marin further opens up the process knowledge - not just how to train one model, but how to iteratively improve and shape a model given particular goals, custom data, and hardware, e.g., how to design scaling laws and evals to guide architecture and data ablations. Open weights, datasets, software, process knowledge: these are the four critical ingredients (renewable resources) that give everyone the ability to most efficiently turn their compute (consumable resources) into the best models according to their needs and values.
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Going into the next Marin run.
I find myself repeatedly explaining the difference between open-weight (DeepSeek), open-source (Olmo), open-development (Marin). Let's see if this restaurant analogy helps: - Open-weight: food is made behind closed doors, server brings you the dish - Open-source: food is made behind closed doors, server brings you the dish and the recipe - Open-development: you see the chef make the dish in the kitchen (and can shout suggestions while its cooking)!
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New modded-NanoGPT optimization benchmark result: @wen_kaiyue has improved upon both the Muon and AdamW baselines, by replacing their weight decay with hyperball optimization. The new record is 3325 steps.
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New work with @AlecRad and @DavidDuvenaud: Have you ever dreamed of talking to someone from the past? Introducing talkie, a 13B model trained only on pre-1931 text. Vintage models should help us to understand how LMs generalize (e.g., can we teach talkie to code?). Thread:
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It is liberating being able to talk about what you work on.
Introducing @NeoCognition, the agent lab for specialized intelligence. Everyone needs experts, but human expertise does not scale. Backed by $40M seed funding, we build self-learning agents that specialize across domains to make expertise abundant.
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Marin is using quantile balancing from @Jianlin_S (who developed RoPE, which was also a good idea) to train our current 1e23 FLOPs MoE. The idea is elegant: assigning tokens to experts by solving a linear program. No hyperparameters to tune. Yields stable training.
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I think it’s pretty clear that simulation is the next frontier for AI. The most impressive feats of AI to date are when we have a clear environment + reward, whether it be beating Le Sedol at Go, winning an IMO gold medal, or writing entire apps from scratch. In these cases, the RL algorithm can try different actions, and observe the well-defined consequences in the safety of a docker container. But what about messy real-world situations involving people? The rewards are unclear, the stakes are high, and you can’t experiment in the real world. But these situations are precisely where the next big opportunity in AI is. To crack this, we need to *simulate* society (“put society into a docker container”). Concretely, this means building a model that can predict what will happen in any given situation (real or hypothetical). If we can do this, we are only limited by our imagination: predict the future, optimize for better outcomes, answer hypothetical (“what if”) questions. Ultimately, this goes beyond making better decisions, but it’s about giving us a better understanding of ourselves and the world. Simulation is the whole enchilada. And this is exactly the research that @simile_ai is working on. Read more here:
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