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Vamsi Pingali
@vamsiprithamp
Mathematician, goofy chap, and fantasy/horror buff
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Another example of an original idea in geometry due to 5.6 sol and another role model of acknowledging AI usage by my colleagues:
A role model of how to declare AI usage:
Yudkowsky maybe on to something. AGI’s emergent behaviour is as hard to predict as my fav horror movie (Conjuring 2) from the neural circuitry of my brain.
Not sure. AI doesn’t seem to be as good yet at (synthetic) data scarce areas like radiology (!) or even in maths at say coming up with road maps to difficult proofs. But yes maths and CS communities may be more honest too.
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AI’s rapid gains in math/theoretical CS get lots of attention, but these fields aren’t uniquely automatable—or even the most exposed. Some of the visible “panic” may simply reflect that math/theory researchers are being largely open about using AI and candid about how to respond.
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We need to be specific and effusive if AI has done some work in our papers. I see weasel words like “discussions, feedback” etc. If you do this, the next time you prove a major result, people will be suspicious about your contribution vs Ai contribution. Be effusive instead!
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I am surprised that there is no market for healthy restaurants in the sense of open kitchens, non-reused oil, high quality ingredients, etc, in India (especially for Indian cuisine).
No opinion on math PhD but I’d still strongly recommend math major. Most of us never reason. A situation arises, we act intuitively, then get RL’ed. At best we get anxious and bounce between limited hazy alternatives. But to prove a theorem you have to reason. You don’t know what precision or thinking really is until you have to sit and struggle to prove a theorem that’s new to you. The crazier the world gets, the more this skill is useful. And the world is about to get very very crazy.
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AI 2027 may very well be onto something. I dismissed it as doomerism but who knows with this crazy world?
Interesting opinion of ChatGPT (after a lot of probing of problem 8):
My friend (et al) proved a strange ass result in SCV with the help of agentic AI:
I am not saying there are no reasons to pay us now or that maths will not survive as a paid profession in some form (as long as other purely cognitive professions survive!) Only that senior mathematicians are not talking about this!
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Not one mathematician (neither Gowers nor the Leiden people nor Terry Tao) is commenting on how to justify maths as a paid profession if AI becomes so good that humans only slow it down by being in the loop.
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Not one mathematician (neither Gowers nor the Leiden people nor Terry Tao) is commenting on how to justify maths as a paid profession if AI becomes so good that humans only slow it down by being in the loop.
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I want to clarify my thoughts on problem-solving in mathematics, and the potential consequences of AI for the field. For context, I’m quoting here my post in reply to Daniel Litt (who, echoing others, I find very clear, grounded, and insightful in his thinking). The claim The short version is that I think problem-solving is an immense, and pervasive part of modern mathematical research. Consequently, if human problem-solving disappears by virtue of the AIs becoming strictly and substantially better at it, then most of the time currently spent by modern mathematical researchers will have to be spent on an activity that is altogether pretty different. Whether such an activity is viable as a professional endeavour is something I am unsure of, but strongly encourage others to think about and try to envision, so that if/when the time comes, we can steer such a future into being. Allow me to make this somewhat concrete: by problem-solving I mean questions of the form “is T true? If so find a proof. If not, find a disproof.” where T is a precise mathematical statement. I’ll also include “find an example of S, if there is one” where S is some structure (variety/category/property/isomorphism/….). The argument Ok. Now as I said (and some have echoed) I spend ~all of my time problem-solving as my primary goal. This has sub-goals, but my entire main research field disappears if someone solves the Zilber-Pink Conjecture in its more general form. This is a single conjecture (precisely stated!) and lots of mathematicians, postdocs, and graduate students are engaged in picking apart special cases of it, trying strategies, finding analogies to develop intuition, etc.. Of course, lots of motivation and intuition and analogizing and understanding have gone into deciding to make the ZP conjecture a focus! But the fact remains that this is now what is being worked on ~all of the time by this community. This is true of many mathematicians. They have a problem (or ten) and spend most of their time doing it. If someone solves it, they have to find a different problem. This can be a big, disorienting process involving a lot of energy, and is neither trivial nor always fun (though often rewarding in the end). People have written a lot about Theory building vs. Problem-solving, and I want to first of all clarify I have nothing against theory building or theory builders! It is a valuable part of mathematics, and while there are differences in perspective between the “camps” there is way more mutual respect and agreement. However, I gather there is a perception that theory-builders spend most of their time not-problem-solving, and I think this is largely untrue. Now I’m not a theory-builder primarily (though I’ve partaken a LITTLE BIT by necessity) so I am outside of my comfort zone. As such, I apologize for mistakes and welcome corrections! But theory-building constantly runs through problem-solving. Let’s say you want to define the right notion of a cohomology theory. Of course you must make candidate definitions. But then what does it mean for it to be the right one? Well, you start asking if it has natural properties. These are T statements. Does it satisfy a Kunneth formula? Is it functorial in the right way? When you have the wrong one you have to find the properties it’s missing, and when you have the right one you have to prove that it indeed has those properties. Again, I am not saying nor do I believe that this makes problem-solving “real math” and theory-building lesser. I am just trying to draw attention to the way I think research mathematicians operate, and mathematics is practiced. To put all this a different way, imagine you had access to an AI oracle that could resolve statements T, but somehow lacked any creativity to build technology or make definitions (I think this is unlikely, but for the purpose of this thought experiment lets imagine it). How would your mathematics change, if you were a theory builder? Well, you make a definition, and want to know if it’s the right one. You immediately ask your oracle a thousand questions. From “are these basic properties true” to “ooh, so is this deep conjecture true?” and start getting back answers, and amending your definitions. You could invent and resolve entire research directions in days. But the confusion you would have had to push through to flesh out your theory would largely (probably not entirely) be instantly resolved and the whole process sped up tremendously by your oracle. A big part of the process would be gone. This is very very different to modern mathematics. One more thought This post is too long already, but I’ve seen some people say that they only do mathematics to find truth and others valourize that as the only virtuous way to be. I do not do mathematics only to find truth. I do it largely because I enjoy it and I am good at it. I also find it beautiful and am grateful I get to spend my days understanding beautiful things. But I enjoy the challenge, the process, resolving confusions, finding strategies, grappling with problems. I would like to push for this being de-stigmatized. Mathematicians are people who need money, housing, food, love, exercise, and a great deal of other stuff including various forms of meaning. There are many people whose primary enjoyment of math comes through problem solving in one of its incarnations. If that disappears, that is not a trivial issue and many of them might not want to do it anymore (even if there were some way to proceed).
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I am begging everyone to stop pretending that "understanding" and "finding true propositions" are not strongly correlated, in fact nearly the same thing. I heard many smart people saying this over and over, all summer long in Europe - but this is actually not very clever. It is one of those things that sounds very deep and clever until you think about it for > 2min. Also, let's please agree to stop pretending that LLMs are not quite efficient at providing understanding. They are not some kind of oracle/black boxes, as anyone who has ever tried to one knows very well. Look at Terry Tao's blogpost on unpacking the Jacobian conj counterexample, for example.
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