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Dovey "Rug the fiat" Wan (hiring)
@DoveyWan
🇨🇳🇺🇸🇸🇬🇯🇵 Founder of @primitivecrypto Thesis: Long substance, short status; Long freedom, short coercion. @DoveyWanCN for 中文 @DoveyAgeX for max health
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Had a lot of convo with the "equity refugees" after Beijing blocking mainland users of Futu and Tiger from trading US assets, even forcing divestment on a deadline. This is exactly the kind of moment that creates massive openings for founders building permissionless access rails. And this won’t be the last one. As sovereign powers keep decoupling from the global monetary order, and from the USD’s grip over asset issuance and distribution, the next frontier in finance is no longer just banking the unbanked. Stablecoins, blockchain payment rails, and Bitcoin have already pushed that frontier forward for the last 15 years. The next one is brokering the unbrokered. As AI compresses the value of human brain-time, wealth preservation will come less from paycheck accumulation and more from productive asset accumulation. That’s why tokenization matters, not as another crypto wrapper, but as a new market infrastructure layer. Founders building onchain equities, RWA perps, tokenized brokerage, or the liquidity / clearing / collateral layer underneath it, DMs are open
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Thanks to @jennyukim_bnb for the great conversation as part of @binance square's special editorial series! The past 15 years of crypto have been about banking the unbanked; the next chapter is about brokering the unbrokered In this AI era, building is exponentially easier, but winning is exponentially harder. We're always looking for founders "weird" enough to build the next layer of global econ's infra and win from the marginal frontier
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Through every bull and bear cycle, we've kept backing the founders who look extremely weird but have a real shot at reshaping the industry.💪 If you missed the live earlier, go back and watch how @DoveyWan unpack Primitive's core investment thesis and share her take on the current market. 📺 Binance Square:
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for those who are early enough in bitcoin and eth icos etc can totally relate: massive wealth in relative short time with little effort, just holding the position. I think the big diff tho is most crypto native ppl's life is quite self sovereign and less status/pedigree attached, no legacy system to impress.. Money just buys total freedom from doing things we hate
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The vibes in SF feel pretty frenetic right now. The divide in outcomes is the worst I've ever seen. Over the last 5yrs, a group of ~10k people - employees at Anthropic, OpenAI, xAI, Nvidia, Meta TBD, founders - have hit retirement wealth of well above $20M (back of the envelope AI estimation). Everyone outside that group feels like they can work their well-paying (but <$500k) job for their whole life and never get there. Worse yet, layoffs are in full swing. Many software engineers feel like their life's skill is no longer useful. The day to day role of most jobs has changed overnight with AI. As a result, 1. The corporate ladder looks like the wrong building to climb. Everyone's trying to align with a new set of career "paths": should I be a founder? Is it too late to join Anthropic / OpenAI? should I get into AI? what company stock will 10x next? People are demanding higher salaries and switching jobs more and more. 2. There’s a deep malaise about work (and its future). Why even work at all for “peanuts”? Will my job even exist in a few years? Many feel helpless. You hear the “permanent underclass” conversation a lot, esp from young people. It's hard to focus on doing good work when you think "man, if I joined Anthropic 2yrs ago, I could retire" 3. The mid to late middle managers feel paralyzed. Many have families and don't feel like they have the energy or network to just "start a company". They don't particularly have any AI skills. They see the writing on the wall: middle management is being hollowed out in many companies. 4. The rich aren’t particularly happy either. No one is shedding tears for them (and rightfully so). But those who have "made it" experience a profound lack of purpose too. Some have gone from <$150k to >$50M in a few years with no ramp. It flips your life plans upside down. For some, comparison is the thief of joy. For some, they escape to NYC to "live life". For others still, they start companies "just cuz", often to win status points. They never imagined that by age 30, they'd be set. I once asked a post-economic founder friend why they didn't just sell the co and they said "and do what? right now, everyone wants to talk to me. if i sell, I will only have money." I understand that many reading this scoff at the champagne problems of the valley. Society is warped in this tech bubble. What is often well-off anywhere else in the world is bang average here. Unlike many other places, tenure, intelligence and hard work can be loosely correlated with outcomes in the Bay. Living through a societally transformative gold rush in that environment can be paralyzing. "Am I in the right place? Should I move? Is there time still left? Am I gonna make it?" It psychologically torments many who have moved here in search of "success". Ironically, a frequent side effect of this torment is to spin up the very products making everyone rich in hopes that you too can vibecode your path to economic enlightenment.
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A lot of smart founders are being emotionally manipulated by the idea that if they are not building a category defining AI stuff or a trillion dollar industrial winner, they are somehow wasting their life or live in the permanent underclass That is nonsense. There will be a massive class of businesses in this cycle built around hyper-personalization, hyper-financialization, serving niche demand with real spending power, yield anywhere from 5m to 100m gross without raising too much, managed by solo founders or tiny team These are huge success too, these are founder's dream too
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Trump's Beijing visit rerated the Taiwan weight a lot: now Taiwan is officially a very good negotiation chip for him (his own word lol) No US president since the Chinese Civil War has negotiated Taiwan arms sales with Beijing. When a "non-negotiable" red line becomes a line item on the table this tells you a lot abt the new geopolitical power dynamics. Welcome to the transaction era
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maybe im overthinking here ... The Taiwan talk just got very, very different. Trump's China visit (Mar 31) was locked before Operation Epic Furry.Then Khamenei dies 3 weeks prior.. timing seems to be too convenient to be accidental. This is a major trigger to tests Xi's response model before the visit to position pre-negotiation: China's entire asymmetric play was built on Iran escalation optionality. That card is now gone. Trump basically said "Your Belt and Road ally is decapitated. Now let's talk about trade/Taiwan"
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for Chinese: Mainland creates wealth, HK spends wealth, Singapore stealths wealth Singapore is a great commend center for owners/founders cushioning regulatory and political frictions, but not a production center.
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AI made building exponentially easier but value capture exponentially harder from hiring standard to founding curve, everything is now a big K shape distribution
SPV even single layer, are no match for liquid stock, 2 other data pt from my own book/friends circle 1️⃣ Invested in Twitter '22 Privatization: Looking at ~2.5x gross at the $1.5T SpaceX IPO 2️⃣ Invested in xAI '25 SPV ($120B entry): with dilution/fee and all that, i will be lucky to clear 2x net ... 😭 Meanwhile, NVDA/TSMC and the high-conviction semi stack have absolutely smoked these returns, minus the carry, the lock-ups, and the SPV distribution hassle ..
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You invested $100K via a 3-layer Anthropic SPV at $380B valuation. Third layer takes 15% management/set up fees and no carry Second layer takes 10/20 First layer takes 10/20 So your real investment is 100*0.85*0.9*0.9=$68.85K. Given nobody scammed anyone in the matryoshka An exit at $1.4T IPO gets you a MOIC of ~2.8x after dilution. That’s $192K on the first layer. The first layer takes 20% carry, you have $167K left The second layer takes 20% carry ($36.4k), you have $130.6k left So you have made a $30K return on a $100K investment in a year. So layered SPV investment got you a 68% Anthropic exposure. Buying Google stock gets you 14% and Amazon - 18%. AND a multiple on all the money Anthropic spends on compute (most of their money). AND exposure to a money-printing business with a strong AI component that rivals Anthropic. AND no scam risk. While the 32% lost in SPV fees just fund someone’s coke habit in Miami. Same $100K put in AMZN and GOOG over the same time period would also get you the 30% return. You’re welcome.
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Was looking through old chats from 10 years ago about Cerebras’s Series B .. such a full circle. in 2017, if you bet on GenAI you were a "vibe investor" - Academia hated on Transformers for not being "elegant" enough for CV (RIP ViT/DETR haters). The NLP scientists called decoder-only models a dead end. 2017 was one of those quiet historical forks, no one in the industry grasped how deeply it would shape what became the Fourth Industrial Revolution Now, the same people are begging for H100s. Meanwhile, Cerebras is still fighting the physics of tiny SRAM and no HBM. Hardware is hard; being right early is harder. and ofc Cerebras didn’t feel obvious to me at all Looking back, my judgment was full of the constraints of that moment: I wasn’t sure Nvidia could become the backbone of hyperscale AI datacenters. Google still looked like the kind of company that would keep its best infrastructure for itself. And Cerebras’s wafer-scale engine felt, to me, like a very expensive piece of hype. That’s the thing about living through history in real time..the future rarely sounds loud when it first arrives. 2017 to 2026 was AI’s version of Hemingway: slowly, then suddenly all at once. And four years earlier, 2014 to 2023 was crypto’s The first 7 years of every exponential industry are usually just a long muted prologue, then last 3 tear through the world as a full symphony That’s still the most intoxicating thing about spending the last 15 years around frontier tech: getting to touch history in draft form, watching founders stay faithful while lost inside it, and watching random choices separate people from fortunes they couldn’t even imagine yet Slowly but surely, suddenly all at once
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80% of $STRC holders are retail investors 40% of $MSTR holders are retail Was thinking STRC was an insiti ponzi but apparently not 🤔
That premise is logically flawed but narratively strong. unless incentivized/harness otherwise, agent's only goal is efficiency. They choose whichever rail CC or stablecoin, has the least friction Winners like Stripe and Alipay will just abstract the choice away by integrating both
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SPV fraud in Q2 2026 is just like DAT fraud in Q2 2025, smh
I don’t think the market has really digested just how much SPV fraud is out there
agent if great for divergence, your agency is required to converge it mindless divergence is the opposite form of creation
Terence Tao is answering a fundamental question regarding the safety and reliability of modern AI: "How can we use a tool that is powerful, but unreliable?" W = ∑(wᵢ ⋅ xᵢ) + b AI isn’t just about “smart”; it’s about the probability of *looking* right. We’ve built systems where the weights (wᵢ) are optimized for plausibility, not veracity. This creates a “convincing mirror” that confidently serves dangerous advice in medicine or finance. The gap between “convincing” and “correct” is the most critical variable we need to solve for.
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"bro you heard code is law?" "law is law bruh"
Aave LLC has filed an emergency motion to vacate a restraining notice served on Arbitrum DAO on May 1, 2026 that attempts to seize approximately $71 million in ETH belonging to victims of the April 18 exploit. A thief does not gain lawful ownership of stolen property simply by taking it, and the law is clear on this. Those assets were recovered to be returned to users victimized in the April 18, 2026 exploit. Freezing them harms the very people this recovery effort is designed to protect. We’ve asked the court for an expedited hearing and a temporary vacatur, and we are continuing to work alongside the Arbitrum community and DeFi United to make affected users whole.
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Min has such a sheer force & mighty power from her petite body, cant say enough good thing about her ❤️
"I'd rather take existential risk in a frontier than emotional death in a perfectly stable system" the most powerful line from a non-standard life path Japanese friend he just shared. we were discussing why Japan is the "most optimistic version of the dystopian capitalism"
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A few implications for future defi design after this watershed incident (KELP/LZ/Aave exploit): “money lego” and composability is not free lunch - LRTs/wrapped assets should never be treated as equivalent to native assets (same with the Binance wrapped assets in CEX) - Yield-enhanced wrappers are also risk-enhanced wrappers - Unified collateral pool lending models will be repriced - Every new collateral type doesn’t just add a market.. it adds a new risk on top - Lending/vaults protocols will increasingly compete on risk segmentation (im more bullish in modular pools) - More assets will prefer canonical issuance, native deployments, and limited bridge surface area - The cost of acquiring TVL on L2s & new dapps will keep going up: most lot of TVL was effectively rented through incentives, bridge convenience, wrappers, and leverage loops - That TVL will increasingly flow back to L1 & likely tradfi-linked assets - Human devops is the worst design by nature :(
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Primitive is technically not a VC, we don’t raise outside capital. But in practice that makes us even more venture in spirit: 100% skin in the game, full downside exposure with our own money, and conviction can’t be outsourced VC cooling down wont kill crypto, when i started there were <3 crypto VCs. Cycles don’t kill crypto, they kill illusions and bandwagons. Crypto remains one of the few true open frontiers for outsiders, one of the rare arenas where a small team with real craft can matter globally, no Silicon Valley network or pedigree required. If you’re building through this bottom with conviction and obsession, this is exactly where future unfair advantage gets earned. dm us @0xtony0x @YettaSing
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maybe im overthinking here ... The Taiwan talk just got very, very different. Trump's China visit (Mar 31) was locked before Operation Epic Furry.Then Khamenei dies 3 weeks prior.. timing seems to be too convenient to be accidental. This is a major trigger to tests Xi's response model before the visit to position pre-negotiation: China's entire asymmetric play was built on Iran escalation optionality. That card is now gone. Trump basically said "Your Belt and Road ally is decapitated. Now let's talk about trade/Taiwan"
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Have been thru so many "existential threat" moments in crypto, every time the ride is getting less existential - First shock: Mt Gox. I was so stunned didnt even feel it. My net worth in crypto wasnt huge in absolute terms, still massive for a fresh grad - Second grill: the Bitfinex hack. Thought it was the end. Instead, the redemption token + creditor unity became an epic kind of birth story for Tether - Post-ICO annihilation: the worst pain. Net worth down bad. Learned the hard lesson on alts, and started Primitive Ventures deep in the 2018 bear - March 2020: the most intense. If BitMEX hadn’t unplugged, we might’ve been cooked as an industry. But mentally it hurt less because the 2018- 2019 grind and later global Covid escape exp trained my brain for the new baseline of chaos - 2022 FTX collapse: insane, cinematic. We pulled funds when we started smelling smoke around SBF so dodged that bullet. and it reinforced a lesson I keep re-learning: founders leak signal constantly if you know how to read behavior Every cycle leaves scar tissue. And in crypto, scar tissue becomes anti fragility: better priors, faster reflexes, cleaner counterparty rules. Crypto people have front run a lot of the big socioeconomic shifts: fighting bot farms before “AI” was mainstream; demanding data sovereignty before prompt injection and narrative manipulation by llms. become opsec paranoid and off the grid knowing the future of surveillance state. We also got a high potent dose of human incentive loopholes and behavioral bias injected into our vein so that we learned the hard way early There's no compression algorithm for experience. Time is the only leverage nobody can liquidate. See you on the other side of this one, fellow life soldiers.
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