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The Hurdle Rate Podcast
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Jeff Walton (@PunterJeff) illustrates COMPOUNDING with a hypothetical $SATA reinvestment example...
Matt Cole (@ColeMacro) suggests starting the Thanksgiving Bitcoin conversation with INCOME... He draws on conversations around $SATA and $SATS to explain why a familiar product can be easier to discuss.
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Welcome Back To The Hurdle Rate Episode 81: Why Your Savings Keep Shrinking In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down a whipsaw week, record AI capital raising, and why the $BTC to gold chart still looks bullish. They also discuss escaping the fiat mindset, the Bitcoin S-curve, Paraguay’s bank run, and how Digital Credit like $SATA and $SATS stacks up against the S&P 500. Here’s the latest with @ColeMacro, @PunterJeff, @Werkman, and @TimKotzman. Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 01:21 - A Whipsaw Week For Markets 04:22 - Confusion Has Never Been Higher 07:55 - Everyone Needs Capital 10:55 - Escaping The Fiat Mindset 20:27 - The Paraguay Bank Run 25:28 - Valuing The Future, Not Today 28:04 - Built For Institutional Mandates 32:07 - Digital Credit Vs. The S&P 36:25 - The Thanksgiving Pitch 45:05 - Rethinking Bitcoin Yield 52:51 - Art Over Algorithms
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Matt Cole uses SpaceX $SPCX to explain the role of TRUST in investing in Strive $ASST ... "If you're investing in SpaceX, you don't need to understand how to build a rocket." - @ColeMacro
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Ben Werkman explains why a Bitcoin treasury requires ACTIVE capital decisions... "You have to be monitoring the markets constantly to figure out when is the right time to make each move." @Werkman
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Matt Cole challenges the assumption that Digital Credit's success means LOWER yields... "I think the opposite's gonna happen, that yields are gonna move higher" - @ColeMacro
Matt Cole tests Bitcoin yield with a hypothetical preferred carrying a 100% financing cost. A $1B raise could produce positive $BTC yield today, while the cost would continue into the future. “It would very likely be a dumb financing decision.” - @ColeMacro
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Who gets access to the yields financing the AI buildout? @ColeMacro argues that the gap between institutional and retail access leaves room for Digital Credit to grow.
What does a preferred investor actually underwrite? @ColeMacro uses Fannie Mae's noncumulative shares to separate dividend prospects from expectations of liquidation. $SATA $SATS $STRC
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Premium or discount? @PunterJeff shows why the denominator matters. His Nov. 2 close example compares market cap with treasury assets minus preferred equity at face value, then with the fair market value of the $BTC holdings.
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$SATS had just launched. Why not issue more? Ben Werkman explains why WAITING can be the right move after a new preferred launch... "You get this distribution phase of these shares where they're now trading hands in the open market." - @Werkman
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A falling chart is not proof of ATM selling, argues @Werkman. He explains why he wants strong liquidity and price action before selling shares. "I think the reason is because people are fitting narratives to what they're seeing."
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Ben Werkman says the common stock’s larger moves are EXPECTED with high amplification... “There’s no way to amplify where it’s not also amplified down.” - @Werkman
Joe Burnett reveals why Bitcoin may have quietly ended its bear market FOUR months ago… “Perhaps the new current thing will eventually be $BTC again… And I think we’re really going to be off to the races by then.” - @IIICapital
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Jeff Walton explains why SpaceX’s $SPCX $40 BILLION debt deal answers the biggest criticism of Digital Credit… “You should have just bought the AI IPO? It’s like, well, no, these people want income.” - @PunterJeff
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CoreWeave $CRWV bond yields jumped. Neocloud stocks fell. Days later, @elonmusk said debt markets are shut to AI capex. @AdamBLiv says market narratives are now flipping in days, and explains why a nimble balance sheet is a strength for Strive $ASST. “It’s almost like the narratives are swinging on a two to three day time horizon basis right now.”
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Companies used to have years to adapt to innovation. Now it can show up overnight. @Werkman argues businesses should build their war chest during boom cycles, and explains what that means for companies stacking $BTC. “What can a company with, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars do in the future? The answer is anything they want.”
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Strive $ASST’s beta to $BTC: 1.28 over the last 30 days, 1.7 over the last 90, and 1.82 over the last six months. @AdamBLiv explains why that beta expands more as Bitcoin rises, and what hitting 61% amplification means for the common. “You can see the beta really start to expand more as Bitcoin goes up rather than goes down, which is really by design.”
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Most people can’t afford to be speculators. @Werkman says households have bills to pay and institutions have mandates to meet. Strive’s $ASST approach is to take $BTC volatility on its own balance sheet and build income products for those investors. “We’ll take on the volatility of Bitcoin... and transform that into something far more stable that’s providing a very attractive income for people.”
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In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down Strive’s biggest buy ever, 6,182 BTC to reach 43,000, plus the new $1B $SATS ATM and hitting 61% amplification on $ASST. They also discuss SpaceX’s $SPCX $40B GPU deal, why perpetual Digital Credit beats time-bound chip financing, and whether capital is the last moat. Here’s the latest with @PunterJeff, @Werkman, @IIICapital, @AdamBLiv, and @TimKotzman. Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 01:39 - 43,000 BTC And The SATS ATM 04:41 - Our Largest Bitcoin Buy Ever 10:35 - Engineering Amplified $BTC 14:25 - Is The Bear Market Over? 21:49 - Inside SpaceX’s $40B GPU Deal 26:57 - GPUs Vs. Bitcoin As Collateral 31:29 - Why Perpetual Beats Time Bound 39:08 - Is Capital The Last Moat? 51:25 - Will AI Labs Hold Bitcoin? 56:05 - The Future Of Income 01:00:27 - Risk Is Mispriced
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