That explains it.
GrokBot is growing to fast and losing money.
Balancing out usage vs. compute is very hard. Anthropic has figured out after a few years - SPCX will need at least a few months before it's balanced.
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@DogecoinNorway The cost of serving Grok Bot was unsustainably high relative to revenue
Wall Street models AI data centers in dollars per gigawatt. Roughly $50 billion each. That misses the variable that matters most: time.
SpaceX stands up a gigawatt in about six months. Neoclouds like CoreWeave and Nebius take closer to 18.
That gap changes the capital math. A finished, contracted gigawatt starts generating cash and can be financed against. The faster you get there, the sooner the same money is free to build the next one.
Picture two builders with the same construction loan. One finishes a house in six months, refinances, and starts again. The other takes eighteen. Over two years, the first builds two houses with that money. The second builds one.
So the right metric isn’t dollars per gigawatt. It’s dollars per gigawatt per unit of time. On that measure, $50 billion buys SpaceX roughly twice the compute it buys a slower builder.
Capital efficiency on a timeline. Not intuitive, and it’s why build speed is worth more than it looks.
$SPCX
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These guys clearly are losing control left and right. They have mismanaged their power and will be replaced.
That’s the real battle that is going on , the rest is noise.
@JOBhakdi And the problem is there really is no alternative to THEM (the real aristocrates as you called them). Because if there were they would be censored and/or killed by them. Maybe Elon + Skydance...one can dream!
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It’s tricky to predict - the West is clearly in some sort of end stage, and things are accelerating (mostly in Europe, where governments are now dropping their masks more and more openly and the revolt is spreading). In the US , I think 2028 will be a showdown of sorts.
Canada and Australia are also destabilizing rapidly.
What is unclear is what happens after. I do not believe in a slow or fast decline , it will be a disruption and a change.
SI makes the whole thing even more unpredictable.
Big picture - I see a lot of energy with younger people on the right across the west - they are high IQ and more and more determined. Together with SI , very big things can now happen very quickly.
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Agreed. The West is this schizophrenic dysfunctional clown-show shell game that cannot plan long and survive against China.
Meanwhile China looks like 2085 already and did that in decades.
It looks like Super Intelligence may force the West to hyper-optimize, because no longer will inefficient idiocracy be a passing grade against Chinese pressure. A SI-supercharged multipolar future forces competition and breaks stagnation.
Even if Leftist communists take over for a few years, it cannot last against that pressure. Really, President Bernie Sanders would probably have to bow to SI accelerationism as a national security priority from the DoW. Unless the US truly loses its mind, and we know it mostly has already.
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Yes, but tacitly doesn’t work.
Right now, no one wants to admit it - we live in a democracy simulation in that some just ruthlessly rule over the masses.
My proposal is to be more transparent about this and be clear that real democracy only works with delegation - but that delegation should be to other VOTERS that then tell them what to vote for.
These super voters can keep check on the politicians.
This requires a system of commands transparency and trust and can’t be tacit.
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@JOBhakdi We pretty much have this but tacitly.
A 2014 Princeton study concluded we don't even live in a democracy or republic at all, as voters get what they want near 0% of the time. Zero.
Positive intervention from Elon has changed the timeline. Or this'd be a Kamala Admin...
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On another note - Democrats had all these candidates that seem smart and decent. But they somehow never manage to win the primaries.
I am endorsing Mike Rogers for the United States Senate today.
Wow so much drama… Abdul isn’t leading by much.
I think we see a red surprise in the senate on Tuesday.
Video coming tmw
🚨 IT'S OFFICIAL: Haley Stevens (D) sets off POLITICAL EARTHQUAKE by endorsing MIKE ROGERS (R) for US Senate, and Democrats are erupting in RAGE
"As you may have seen, our Democratic nominee for U.S. Senate, Abdul, said that I was no longer welcome in his campaign and that I should stay away. And he's right. And that's why I am endorsing Mike Rogers for the United States Senate today.
I don't belong in Abdul's campaign. I do not stand with Hasan Piker, who gets trafficked on our college campuses. A dear friend of mine earlier today was saying that education is on the ballot, and she's absolutely right. And what our students see, what our children see, and who we are as Michiganders is not hate, and is not what we are getting out from our Democratic nominee right now."
Abdul El Sayed's own primary opponent, a sitting Democrat congresswoman, is crossing over to the Republican.
All because he wouldn't condemn a vile ad, and then pusher her away for having a differing opinion
ELECTION DAY IS IN LESS THAN 2 DAYS.
Time for Dem voters to do the right thing like she did and vote for Mike! 🇺🇸
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I don’t know why it is happening to me right now, but all these elections make me more and more Aristocracy-pilled.
It’s just not possible to have a flat democracy. People need to delegate their political decision making to people they trust, and make sure those people actually do their homework.
The average voter is lighters away from being able to make the correct decisions. They are completely at the mercy of the media, and don’t even want to go on X because it is too “exhausting”. The vast majority of people are not willing or not able to process the world at any level sufficient to make reasonable decisions.
I am not writing this with any sort of emotion or frustration - it is a recognition that finally came to me. It’s just logistically impossible to transport the knowledge necessary for reasonable political decisions into a critical number of brains.
It’s like giving someone who has never heard of math the mission to determine the area under a curve.
“What’s an area?
What’s a curve?
What means determine?
Oh wait I have a hair appointment , see you later!”.
It’s not going to work. Delegation is the only way
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NEW SpaceX Leak Shows MASSIVE Cash Flood Coming
Directionally correct.
Massive cash flow is coming in about 12 months.
$SPCX will lead the pack by a wide margin, but then the Mag7 follow.
People VASTLY underprice something that has proven to be quite valuable throughout history:
MONEY.
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You have 12 months left to buy the Magnificent 7 before the cash flow explosion begins:
🧐What people don't undertand about the data center buildout:
The BIGGEST variable is time-to-build. Let's assume you have a 6 month payback period once the datacenter is up and running (which, btw, is NUTZ but true).
That means if you need 18 months vs. 6 months to stand it up, your ROI and debt situation will be MASSIVELY different.
Think about it like this:
you want to build as many 1GW clusters as possible.
you need 50B for one.
With 18 month buildtime and 6 months payback, you need 50B in rolling debt and can build one every 2 years.
With 6 months build time, you can build one every 1 year with rolling 50B debt.
In addition, after another 6 months, you can build an ADDITIONAL one in parallel with NO debt.
This entire math situation is deeply misunderstood by the market - mostly because it can't wrap its head around
1. MASSIVE differences in buildout time
2. MASSIVELY fast paybacks. While the market (kind of) knows it, it breaks their brain and they believe it's a one-off right now that won't be the case next year or the year after.
Guess what: you are WRONG. Payback will stay super fast for a long time to come.
This is the greatest bonanza in human history - but just the bootloader of what is to come.
Easy to understand once you understand intelligence. Impossible to understand if you don't.
In a way, nothing has changed:
only the intelligent can make money from intelligence.
/AI / SPCX compute buildout
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Oh no it is happening! Anakin!
“Anakin. Experts are concerned you’re becoming a symbol of right wing extremism”
ELONS 276 MILLION DOLLAR BET
Elon is in effect confirming that SPCX is on track to deliver 3GW of compute by end of the year.
Less than 0.5 GW delivered 26 billion in annual revenue, at 50%+ margins after depreciation.
$SPCX meanwhile is down 20% to under 2T.
Insane times.
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Macroharder and Minihard both have 220k GB300s with 800 gig nics configured for training. Gun Range will have the same. Spam (used to house Hormel products) will have ~200k GB300s, but configured for inference, so much simpler networking and less than half the fiber.
I walked the whole Colossus 2 site around midnight and again this morning.
Good progress by the SpaceX team and contractors. Gun Range is tracking to be operational by end of November and Spam in December.
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Often people mock the "normies" and their inability to recognize obvious mechanics in politics.
But think about it like this:
if you are a soccer mom, you have your hands and brain full with all kinds of things that most people in X don't even want to deal with.
From her perspective, we are the blue pilled dummies: we don't even understand why (name of kid) is worried about (thing) in (school etc.) and we don't even know their best 5 friends and what they are all about.
Then, at election day, she votes Democrat because CNN told her the day before Trump is a Nazi.
She isn't dumb; her focus is just not on the topic.
Also, a huge chunk of people don't even vote because they literally don't care.
The same is true for AGI, Singularity etc.
The bottom line is: yes, some people are dumber and some are smarter. But most people are similarly smart, only with very different compute focuses.
That means that in a Democracy, be default most won't have a clue what is happening and what is true and what is not.
Even if everyone would be reasonably smart, the majority would RELY on a few to make the decisions for them.
NOT just in the sense that you would for representatives, but MORE MORE in the sense that you should ask the one member of your family, community etc. what to vote for and let them do the work.
That requires people to
1. Have people they TRUST who are actually political
2. Have those people be RESPONSIBLE with their power
3. Have the normies be AWARE that they have no clue and are consciously outsourcing.
If 1. is missing, nothing works.
If 2. is missing, those people will abuse their power and screw the people who trust them.
If 3. is missing, you have Greta running around talking about geostrategy and energy and we all die.
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@JOBhakdi They give us all these Hegelian dialectics that just don't play out very cleanly in the real world. These issues are complex because people are complex. I think you have a great sense for the nuances of humanity.
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I wouldn't say SPCX weathered the selloff. It got slughtered pretty badly.
TSLA was the big winner last week.
@JOBhakdi TSLA weathered sell off, as did SPCX.
Attack on SI was a yawn.
Big reveal will be Midterm results; will there be a Roadster performance?
Big debate going forward is on Socialism failure, exposing the mythology of its so called 'virtue'.
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This is so unfair - let’s create a go fund me for that little starving data center ?
The world according to Sam Altman btw 😭
Yes. This is the cheapest market in living memory.
Also, if SPCX delivers on the conservative side of their 2027 outlook, they are also trading at a 12 fwd PE, while growing at about 800% yoy
No one knows if there is more volatility ahead in the short term - but it is obvious these are basement bargain deals on the most massive growth story ever.
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ThE mArKeT iS iN sUcH a BuBbLe
Yet these are the 2027 earnings multiples for some of world's biggest companies.
• $AMZN ~23x
• $MSFT ~22x
• $GOOGL ~20x
• $AVGO ~19x
• $META ~19x
• $TSM ~18x
• $NFLX ~16x
• $DELL ~15x
• $ORCL ~15x
• $NVDA ~13x
• $SNDK ~4x
• $MU ~4x
• $SKHY ~4x
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😂🤣
This is going to be a tax free year 🍾
Pioneerlands projection is that Elon is right about this in principle but 3-5 years early, unless terrestrial buildout faces drastic bottlenecks.
I think orbital buildout will exceed terrestrial buildout per month by 2032-2033.
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@SPCX100T Terrestrial compute will be peanuts compared to orbital compute.
Orbital compute deployed per month probably exceeds terrestrial around the end of 2028 and then far exceeds it in 2029.