🚨NEW EPISODE🚨
60 minutes with JAMIE DIMON
- wouldn't buy long bonds or SP500 here
- "risks are bigger than people think"
- "I want
@AndyBurnham to succeed", but Banks Levy is "wrong"
- Leadership masterclass - breaking bureaucracy; overcoming insecurity; loneliness at top
STOCK MARKET: "In general would I be a buyer at this price? No."
BUYER OF LONG DATED BONDS? “Personally, no. I would not be a buyer and part of it is interest rates. I mean even if inflation was 2%, the 10-year bond should probably be at 4-4.5%. And the short rate should be at 3.25-3.5%. And they're almost there today. So I don't understand what the upside is, even if you think inflation going to go to 2%. But being an economic historian, I can't take out of my mind what happened after the great recession of 74. Deficits were less…And it climbed from 3.5% to 5% to 7% to 9% to 11%.”
ECONOMY/MARKET RISKS: “Make a list of all those really complex long-term geopolitical tectonic plates things that affect the market or may not… I do think those risks are probably bigger than other people think.”
MARCH 2020 NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE: “So I knew at that point in time that there might be goodbye. Yeah.” And what stood out for you in the life that you'd led in that moment? “I remember I spoke to my wife and I told her to call their company and tell them exactly what's happening so they can do what they got to do. But the good news is I didn't have any great regrets. I would be leaving behind great children, great wife, great company. I did the best I can. Of course I made mistakes. But fortunately I recovered from all that.”
ON ANDY BURNHAM: “I want him to succeed. I want to see the UK thrive. I want London to succeed. But the UK, like everybody else and like my own country…you need a strong economy to do that. So the new Chancellor going to need good policies that actually cause growth. So I'm praying that they get policy right and government after government get it wrong.”
ON BANKS LEVY: “I have always thought it was wrong. JP Morgan did not damage the UK and I called the Chancellor at the time. We're a great citizen there. We hire people there. We want to be bigger there. We train people there. We hire veterans there. All of our people get medical and all that stuff like that. And I just thought it was a lack of principle to punish a company that had nothing to do with the crisis. And it's still there seventeen years later. Is that fair to a shareholder? I mean, it may sound great, 'tax the banks', but it's $5 billion that my shareholder's paid on that extra tax. And I just think things like that have adverse consequences.”
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
2:14 As good as it gets environment
3:08 Risks bigger than people expect
4:28 Resilience despite Iran
9:21 Would not buy bonds here
12:50 AI risk & opportunity
15:16 Not buyer of SP500 here
16:02 SpaceX valuation
17:45 Lessons from Financial Crisis
19:09 Don’t expect success
21:00 Loneliness of leadership
23:25 Commitment to NYC
@NYCMayor
25:03 I want
@AndyBurnham to succeed
26:40 UK Banks Levy is wrong
29:14 Fighting bureaucracy
33:20 Character most important trait
35:26 Insecurity ruins leaders
39:46 Success is not just your own
43:15 Politics is a very tough game
47:55 Dimon’s founder-like impact & succession
51:30 Near death experience
53:05 Family
56:34 Learn, learn, learn – from history & people
@jpmorgan @Chase @chase_uk @JPMorganAM