Marc Benioff on the AI boom, SaaSpocalypse, and future of Slack Salesforce CEO @Benioff and I discuss his recent framemogging at Dreamforce, the state of the SaaSpocalypse, and how Slack is more important than ever in the age of AI. We also talk about the resurgence of San Francisco, his role in the recent acquisition of Hugging Face, the wealth being created by the IPOs of Anthropic and OpenAI, and what he thinks the industry can learn from the social media era. Timestamps: 00:00 Dreamforce Memes and the AI Hype Cycle 04:36 San Francisco’s AI Comeback 07:24 Why AI Leaders Should Give Back 11:50 AI Safety, Regulation and CEO Responsibility 15:57 Betting on AI Agents and Anthropic 21:10 Is the SaaS Apocalypse Overblown? 28:56 Slack as the Operating System for AI Agents 33:39 How Do You Price AI? 36:56 Headless Salesforce and Unlocking Business Data 40:51 How AI Is Changing TIME and the Media 44:15 The Future of AI Interfaces Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: @meetgranola, @Atlassian, and @mercury.