lets annualize it
lets fcking annualize it
someone pls tell this guy that’s literally why we’re in this project
okay not trying to fud but…
@papertrade_xyz doesn’t actually execute trades on hyperliquid. it just uses hyperliquid prices to settle synthetic positions against its own LPs, with 1000x leverage and some questionable payout asymmetry when prices gap.
my concern is what happens when enough people figure this out. or someone big decides to trigger a volatility event that could drain the LP, and leave everyone queuing for withdrawals.
using hyperliquid prices and trading on hyperliquid are two very different things. not sure if most trading on paper actually understand the difference.
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proposing we rename papertrade to cuckoldtrade
you literally wait in queue forever just to get into a trade, then get liquidated and lose your whole balance, and you're ultra happy about it
trying my absolute hardest to get rekt on papertrade but somehow already 3x’d my starting balance
what’s wrong with me??? :(((
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@papertrade_xyz live on perpdexlist
you can find and analyze delta-neutral setups for eth and btc, and check the funding paid out across 50 perp dexs and cexs
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don’t worry guys, i’ll integrate
@papertrade_xyz into from day 1
you’ll be able to find delta neutral opportunities across different exchanges and profit from price and funding arbitrage
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literally less than an hour until paper trade goes live, but i see some people still don’t get how it works
tldr: to farm points, you need to lose money
the bigger the project’s LP (basically it’s the delta: user funds lost minus payouts to winners), the less $PAPER you farm
the best rate is at LP from $0 to $2m: 100 $PAPER per $1 lost
after $2m LP, farming gets more expensive. very roughly speaking (and i stress, very roughly), it drops fast up to $120m LP, then slower after that
the rate depends not on the current LP, but on the LP's all-time high. it can only get worse, never better
and most importantly: this doesn’t mean LP will grow ultra fast. maybe everyone will win often and LP simply won’t get topped up
one strategy i see is just going DN with other perp dexes/cexes, and you might especially want to look at the ones offering x500-1000 leverage. off the top of my head: mexc, avantis, gains, aster
gl
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papertrade launch timing and details
papertrade is expected to launch at 14:00 UTC on 10.10.2026, following the scheduled hyperevm network upgrade.
at this time trading through the frontend will be enabled.
deposits will pause for a short period of time at 13:45 UTC, fifteen minutes before, to ensure that trading has the utmost priority during launch. if you wish to participate in the launch you must predeposit.
launch congestion
papertrade will be congested at the start due to launch demand. expect temporarily long confirmation wait times, especially for smaller notional trades.
the frontend relayer plays an important role during launch, controlling how transactions are submitted to the hyperevm. some actions like staking distributions run separately in big blocks. the chain will always look as if only half of all possible gas is being used, this is optimal. using more than this would exponentially raise fees within minutes to unpayable prices.
oi limits
papertrade has individual atomic position limits of 10m. there is no limit on the number of 10m positions a user can have. papertrade also has floating oi headroom per market/side, which determines how much oi can be opened in a very short period. these are not designed to be triggered through normal trading usage and are set at 1bn per market/side for launch.
asym pnl fee parameters
papertrade inherits rollbit’s asymmetric fee pnl curve
the parameters are:
-baseRate: .1
-rateMultiplier: 15000
-rateExponent: 1
-referenceNotional: 100000*k (k=1m)
-positionMultiplier: 814.598 btc / 483.979 eth
-profit deadman: 0.2 basis points
a visualization of the pnl parameter curve is below
admin keys
the papertrade admins (2 of 3 multisigs consisting of
@izebel_eth @blurr @UngusTrade ) perform three separate roles:
-guardian: pause opens and freeze individual/global markets. if a market is frozen any existing positions can still be closed against the paused bbo mid.
-owner: set impact curve and fee parameters. change configure relayers/keepers. list new markets and upgrade the contracts. all contract upgrades are gated by a 7 day timelock.
-markets: adjust the oi headroom per market/side. set the minimum margin and minimum position sizes.
read more about these features at:
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any TA experts here? is this chart bullish enough?
can't believe i'm dropping this now. bloomberg terminal for basis and funding arbitrage
a lot of time and effort went into this, and here's what you get:
- scanner for arb setups across 35 cexes and perp dexes
- realtime parsing of 9300 unique pairs
- bid and ask of both legs are accounted for, not just last or mark price
- you can see real returns over 24h, 7d, 30d based on historically paid funding (not just converting current funding into APR)
- ability to filter pairs by volume and open interest
and most importantly for every pair you can open a detailed chart section that includes:
- price chart (including bid ask)
- historical in/out spread chart (based on real bid ask)
paid funding chart
- funding change chart (yes, it's always different and not always equal to funding paid)
and yes, all of this is completely free
link:
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tbh, this is the worst possible time for a launch
a lot of the hyperliquid maxis and everyone involved are either still in singapore or already back home but dealing with brutal jet lag after a 15-hour flight
i'm writing this post literally right after 12 hours of sleep, and i have zero clue what's going on, what to click, or anything else
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papertrade launch timing and details
papertrade is expected to launch at 14:00 UTC on 10.10.2026, following the scheduled hyperevm network upgrade.
at this time trading through the frontend will be enabled.
deposits will pause for a short period of time at 13:45 UTC, fifteen minutes before, to ensure that trading has the utmost priority during launch. if you wish to participate in the launch you must predeposit.
launch congestion
papertrade will be congested at the start due to launch demand. expect temporarily long confirmation wait times, especially for smaller notional trades.
the frontend relayer plays an important role during launch, controlling how transactions are submitted to the hyperevm. some actions like staking distributions run separately in big blocks. the chain will always look as if only half of all possible gas is being used, this is optimal. using more than this would exponentially raise fees within minutes to unpayable prices.
oi limits
papertrade has individual atomic position limits of 10m. there is no limit on the number of 10m positions a user can have. papertrade also has floating oi headroom per market/side, which determines how much oi can be opened in a very short period. these are not designed to be triggered through normal trading usage and are set at 1bn per market/side for launch.
asym pnl fee parameters
papertrade inherits rollbit’s asymmetric fee pnl curve
the parameters are:
-baseRate: .1
-rateMultiplier: 15000
-rateExponent: 1
-referenceNotional: 100000*k (k=1m)
-positionMultiplier: 814.598 btc / 483.979 eth
-profit deadman: 0.2 basis points
a visualization of the pnl parameter curve is below
admin keys
the papertrade admins (2 of 3 multisigs consisting of
@izebel_eth @blurr @UngusTrade ) perform three separate roles:
-guardian: pause opens and freeze individual/global markets. if a market is frozen any existing positions can still be closed against the paused bbo mid.
-owner: set impact curve and fee parameters. change configure relayers/keepers. list new markets and upgrade the contracts. all contract upgrades are gated by a 7 day timelock.
-markets: adjust the oi headroom per market/side. set the minimum margin and minimum position sizes.
read more about these features at:
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AHAHAHAHAHAH
i'm bringing them so much trading volume and fees that i've literally hit their per-user cap over N period of time
let's say i'm supposed to get $30k in referral payouts, but the cap is $15k over N days, and anything above that simply doesn't get paid to me
such a terrible referral program design
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some well-known perp dex isn't paying me referral payouts for some reason, despite the huge trading volume and fees i'm generating for them
hope we can sort this out
otherwise, you'll get quite a good read from me
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now comes my least favorite post-event phase
i'm exhausted from all the flights and jet lag, got tons of new ideas and contacts to go through. my head is a complete mess
but after this, i'll rise like a phoenix once again, stronger than before
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some well-known perp dex isn't paying me referral payouts for some reason, despite the huge trading volume and fees i'm generating for them
hope we can sort this out
otherwise, you'll get quite a good read from me
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okay chat, preparing for token2049 in ny, day 1
how do i avoid paying “mandatory” tips in america?
chat, i’ve never been to NY, but am i right in thinking that hotels, taxis, and pretty much everything else are even more expensive there than in singapore during F1?
the paradox of papertrade farming is that to make money, you basically need to copytrade the worst traders
papertrade pre-deposits are live!
in order to avoid the launch trading congestion, deposit during the next two days to secure your spot at the starting line. once trading begins, account creation/deposits will be heavily deprioritized.
no need to rush - there is no advantage to depositing earlier during this period.
when on 10.10 will papertrade go live?
live trading will begin approximately one hour after the expected hyperevm network upgrade on 10.10. the exact upgrade time is not known beforehand. the official hyperliquid discord will post an update when the upgrade is about to begin, so keep an eye there for an early heads up. there is a small historical possibility that the upgrade will happen on the AM of the 11th.
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thank you, token2049 and kbw
it was great and all, but now i’m literally gonna spend a week living in a hut in the forest to recharge my social battery
i’m leaving singapore right now, and i just wanna say one thing
crypto is fucking alive, no matter what anyone says
yeah, it might seem dead when you see half-empty events and all that shit
but come on, that just means you’re hanging out with the wrong crypto crowd
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yo guys, we got:
hyperliquid
robinhood chain
layerzero
sushiswap
isn’t this collaboration a bit overcomplicated? lmao
as token2049 comes to an end, i just wanna say that i love crypto
some people build legendary projects
some post cringe shit on X
and some scam their fellow crypto bros
and somehow, we’re all part of the same ecosystem
and i fucking love it
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chat, i’ve never been to NY, but am i right in thinking that hotels, taxis, and pretty much everything else are even more expensive there than in singapore during F1?
don’t worry guys, i’ll integrate
@papertrade_xyz into from day 1
you’ll be able to find delta neutral opportunities across different exchanges and profit from price and funding arbitrage
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