Brave of Coxon to do a long-form, 25-minute interview with one of the biggest stars in the world and without hedging, without caveats, make the case for the dystopian utopia of universal luxurious jobless purposelessness if AI goes right. But he’s wrong thinking billions of working people and people in poverty will gladly trade a radical loss of meaning—through zero human production of art, music, science or indeed of anything—for improved quality of life (through a high-income UBI). Stewart is right that humans take great meaning from work. He is not arguing that people take great meaning from poverty. We are Homo faber, man the maker. The utopia most want is an end to poverty, inequality and domination, not an end to work and meaning.

Not only does one single human matter more than an infinite number of insects, I’ll go further: one single human matters more than an infinite number of chimpanzees, whales or dolphins (even though we owe a great duty of care to those species who most approach us in attributes of moral worth). Each human is precious *beyond measure*. There is no math where any volume of anything else ever adds up to the value of just one of us.