New
@ThePeelPod with Matt Murphy
@mmurph at
@MenloVentures
We go inside Menlo's pre-revenue, pre-launch Anthropic investment and how they emerged as a top AI firm.
Matt might be the only person who invested pre-revenue in both Google and Anthropic, and we talk through when to break the rules in venture, the three LP's that made over $1B each on the $500M Anthropic SPV Menlo raised without being able to show a single financial, Menlo's barbell investing approach, and why today isn't like 1999.
Full episode here + links below.
Timestamps:
0:00 How to read Anthropic's S-1
1:21 Do AI companies actually make money?
2:23 Google didn't want ads. Anthropic didn't plan on enterprise.
4:51 Bending the rules to back Anthropic pre-revenue, pre-launch
9:50 You can't be a leading AI firm without a top model company
12:00 Leading the Series D at $18B six months later
14:22 Why the best researchers chose Dario
15:25 Menlo's first-ever SPV, nearly the size of the fund
16:44 The LP meeting that sparked a $500M SPV
19:18 Raising at $18B without showing financials
20:04 Three LP's made $1B+ each
24:23 Why Matt joined Menlo in 2015
26:00 Rebuilding Menlo over the past decade
32:49 Venture as a team sport
35:45 How to keep a challenger mentality
38:15 Why VC firms decay
41:31 The Anthology Fund: OpenRouter, Wispr, Goodfire
42:27 Ownership vs. backing the best
46:10 Why this isn't 1999
48:06 Frontier vs. open weight models
51:29 The barbell portfolio strategy
53:54 Avoiding the messy middle between early and growth
55:07 How to spot a category leader
57:18 Fortune 5000 AI adoption: "almost none"
59:06 Menlo is in 10 of 70+ neolabs: Skild, Chai, Axiom
1:02:13 Where $1B AI startup raises actually go
1:04:18 Phase 1 vs. Phase 2 of AI
1:06:26 What the AI IPOs mean for venture
1:09:11 What Matt does differently after 25 years
1:10:52 The Alex Smith lesson