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@harukaze5719
English/Korean | I'm not leaker nor tipster, Korean PC Tech Fan l Everything I post is personal opinion. 좋은 질문을 하기 위해, 조금 더 논리적인 생각을 구축하기 위해
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Samsung doesn't have packaging tech? lol c'mon Samsung... Is it not mentioned anywhere else either? 😂
EMIB mentioned in SK hynix’s slides…
Because you have to drop your xpu frequency by half. 👍
Samsung says zHBM (roadmap) will reduce power by 70% versus HBM5 (Hot Chips)
Hot Chips 2026 is in full swing at STH starting with Micron on memory architectures:
HPB seems really useful solution... But, seems only Samsung is talking about it. Because Samsung DRAM has low efficiency so that need that extra cooling solution? Or, Hynix and Micron is prepaing other solution?
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Heat is a known issue in HBM, which makes this slide interesting from @SamsungSemiUS as a potential way to handle the increased thermal challenges. I'm also intrigued on the notion that each cHBM base die will not be created equal and performance will likely vary.
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3D stacking SRAM can help. AMD 3D V-Cache is one of the case. But Cerebras can do it also? Hmm...
What again is the market cap for Cerebras? $ CBRS SRAM cannot scale.
If even just the IMC can be offloaded to the B-die, it appears that significant area savings will be achieved. Interconnections to connect with the B-die would still be necessary, but they would likely take up less area than the IMC. Since the area has been reduced, they would utilized the area for more computational units and SRAM
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The person who presented for Samsung is someone who moved from Samsung S.LSI to the memory side as an HBM “relief pitcher.” He came to present at Hot Chips today, but I had other schedules so I couldn’t meet him in person—I only touched with him yesterday in advance. He has cleared one hurdle and is now pushing zHBM as the next stage. Three-step evolutionary roadmap: Phase #1# (offloading & optimization): reclaims xPU silicon area by adopting compact D2D PHYs and offloading memory controllers to the B-die. Phase #2# (functional expansion): integrates value-added logic—such as telemetry sensors, external memory expansion, and PEs—directly into the B-die. Phase #3# (true 3D convergence): eliminates 2D/2.5D interfaces via zHBM, achieving direct vertical integration of xPU logic and DRAM stacks for maximum energy efficiency. Big thanks to Tae Kim (@firstadopter) for posting the photos live from the venue—those shots let us clearly see the actual slides. From the slides: - The industry is rapidly moving toward tightly coupled AI memory solutions. The key challenge for AGI and inference is maximizing tokens per second within strict power limits. zHBM is presented as the ultimate solution: true 3D vertical integration of the xPU and C-die stack that completely eliminates the 2.5D interposer. - Key differentiators of zHBM are distributed I/Os and a true 3D structure. Distributed I/Os minimize data travel distance inside the stack, the 3D structure removes conventional 2D interfaces (HBM PHY or D2D), and the design targets ultra-low power consumption. - The primary advantage is a dramatic reduction in I/O power. By removing SERDES (data align/DQ I/O) overhead, zHBM delivers about 70% lower power versus HBM5. At the system level (1× GPU + 4× memory stacks, assuming 1200 W GPU), this translates into roughly 230% higher DRAM bandwidth, a ~100 W saving, and an 8.3% improvement in overall power efficiency.
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Power efficiency? OK. But cooling solution can handle it? Can do 1200~1600W power draw while top is blocked with DRAM dies? GPU junction temp will be ok?
Samsung says zHBM (roadmap) will reduce power by 70% versus HBM5 (Hot Chips)
I like how custom HBM base die (and its roadmap) is becoming a vector of competitive advantage for the big three memory players.
16Gbps: 4TB/s per stacked-chip / 32TB/s with 8 20Gbps: 5TB/s per stacked-chip / 40TB/s with 8
Hmm, it looks like HBM4E has been confirmed at 16 Gbps. Excerpt from a Samsung slide:
Actually, I don't think it is a big news. As always, normal NVIDIA
The price increases are likely to add complexity to the industry’s massive AI data center build-out ambitions
The price increases are likely to add complexity to the industry’s massive AI data center build-out ambitions
I honestly want a proper deep dive into if they're making low voltage work, how, given its significant limitations. I want to understand its compute layout, the cluster scale memory (if it's more than just a fancy RDMA scratch pad SRAM), and how that scales. You can feed me high level numbers all day. I want a proper deep dive into the architecture and how it works, ideally in a room full of peers and others. Not simply a spec table twitter post. Note, I'm talking about what I want. You can want whatever you like. High-level, low-level. But to me there are just simply certain parts of what they have disclosed that aren't making sense spatially and physically. If I'm going to trust those high-level numbers, I need to know what's happening physically under the hood. The team there know this. I've been a strong critic to the investors that phone me up and ask about the design, as well as in my content. That's why I know there are people inside the company wanted a Hot Chips presentation. We have AI Infra in a couple weeks, there might be something there, or we might get a custom solo event like Cerebras. I know how the marketing works, especially for Thiel companies, and yes the empty wooden crate too tall for the truck it was going into was more like a SemiAnalysis meme post than actual proper PR. I'm always hoping a marketing team/PR agency sees beyond the pointless engagement like that and actually delivers as promised. But perhaps I'm not as cynical about the misdirection as you are. I like to believe there is good in some of those engineers.
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@IanCutress Posting FLOPS, GB, GB/s, and W is not a meme dump, it's what every single respectable chip maker does. Compare the recent Cerebras press to the Etched one. Etched posted a video where they put an empty wooden box in a truck and said don't worry our lead investor thinks it's good.
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“Pushing the envelope in virtually every aspect possible.” @ServeTheHome takes a deep dive into AMD Instinct MI455X and CDNA 5, exploring the memory, bandwidth, packaging and rack-scale advances behind the next era of Instinct accelerators. 🚀
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SK Hynix will hold a groundbreaking ceremony for its semiconductor fab in Indiana, USA, as early as the end of this month. It has also begun a large-scale recruitment drive in the U.S.
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Can confirm. Link is here. AI hardware sold directly by JD RTX 5090 32GB Blower - 35,999 CNY RTX PRO 6000 96GB Server - 91,999 CNY RTX PRO 6000 96GB Desktop - 76,999 CNY Also there are A100, H100 But while writing this tweet, all product listed is taken down. No price info. And only left text 'The product has been removed from the shelves.'
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