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Flapping Airplanes
@flappyairplanes
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(1/5) Great to be at @sequoia to give a sneak peek of one of our research directions! TL;DR one path to data-efficiency may be to “abuse GPUs like they’ve never been abused before”
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Flapping Airplanes co-founder @amspector100 explains why data efficiency is the greatest bottleneck to AI adoption: "To the extent that AI has been hard to integrate into the economy, I really think it's because models are much less data-efficient than humans. If you want it to learn a new task, or put it in a new vertical, it takes thousands of times more effort than it does to just tell a human what to do." "If you can make a model a million times more data-efficient, it's a million times easier to put into the economy. There's a ton of cool stuff that you can do in really data-constrained regimes. For example, whether it's robotics, or scientific discovery, or even something like trading, these problems have very limited data, and existing AI systems aren't quite as good at them as they are at other things. I think that learning to learn with less data is just tremendously valuable in all of these domains."
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We are also truly honored to have @SuhailNimji @Jml_campbell as advisors. They are true company builders who know the valley inside and out but more importantly they know how to help young people believe in themselves
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This isn’t just another Neo lab. @bfspector & @amspector100 are forces of nature. A dynamic duo defined by grit, drive, and authenticity—two of the most charismatic, thoughtful, and genuine individuals I’ve met. Honored to be an advisor - @flappyairplanes
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let's give the models a childhood ✈️
Current AI needs the whole internet to learn; humans just need a childhood. I’m joining Flapping Airplanes to help close that gap. We’re building models that think deeper by reading less. It’s time to fly over the data wall—excited to show you what’s next! ✈️
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I spent a bunch of time a year ago thinking about the data wall. A blackpill at the time for me was when I realized that the total stock of natural text data is depleting much faster than Chinchilla's infamous 20 tokens per param compute optimal ratio suggested. Here is a naive BOTEC from back then: Famously, Chinchilla showed that using about 20 tokens per param was compute optimal, measured at 6*10^23 FLOPs. It turns out that even though MoEs are more compute efficient than dense models, training them compute optimally needs a lot more data! In fact, at a 1:32 (97%) sparsity it uses ~6x more tokens per active params (see [1]). The Llama 3 405B report measured 40 token per param to be optimal with their data at 4*10^25 FLOPs. And for a 1:32 sparse MoE model such as DeepSeek v3, this suggests 240 tokens per param could well end up being optimal! At this ratio, things would break down. A 4*10^27 FLOPs model (a pretraining run that might be planned e.g. for 2026) will need 400T tokens. A 5*10^28 FLOPs model would require O(1400T) tokens. These are insane numbers, and they only get worse into the 2030s! The totally unfiltered Common Crawl is about 240T tokens. People have been offsetting this to some extent by training for multiple epochs or repeating the same data a la "Scaling Data-Constrained Language Models" by Muennighoff et al. (2023). Of course, this is a naive BOTEC, and I'm happy to dive into more details, e.g. how much compute might be put into other uses, such as long-horizon RLVR which could well require a lot of those 5*10^28 FLOPs. But we are casually talking about hundreds of trillions to over a quadrillion tokens as compute-optimal! It makes one question whether these numbers are actually necessary for the kind of capability gains we want. We are working on this question at @flappyairplanes, and we're excited to be advised by @karpathy. I will end here with this @ilyasut quote from the @dwarkesh_sp episode with him: "The data is very clearly finite. What do you do next? Either you do some kind of souped-up pre-training, a different recipe from the one you’ve done before, or you’re doing RL, or maybe something else. But now that compute is big, compute is now very big, in some sense we are back to the age of research. [...] Up until 2020, from 2012 to 2020, it was the age of research. Now, from 2020 to 2025, it was the age of scaling—maybe plus or minus, let’s add error bars to those years—because people say, “This is amazing. You’ve got to scale more. Keep scaling.” The one word: scaling. But now the scale is so big. Is the belief really, “Oh, it’s so big, but if you had 100x more, everything would be so different?” It would be different, for sure. But is the belief that if you just 100x the scale, everything would be transformed? I don’t think that’s true. So it’s back to the age of research again, just with big computers." [1] arxiv: 2501.12370
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it's mutual—there are just some partners who you know you have to work with. @IndexVentures is in that category (unmatched conviction, incredible execution) and we are psyched to fly alongside shardul and mark
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Some founders you meet, and it doesn’t matter what they’re building. You just know you want to be part of it. We’re thrilled to co-lead this investment in @FlappyAirplanes, and to welcome Ben Spector, Asher Spector, Aidan Smith and their team into the Index family.
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appreciate this take. we're in a new era with a new way of building companies; it's very exciting, it's a serious responsibility, and we will deliver
excited to live in a world where capital gets fearlessly allocated to the most talented and hard working members of society might read like sarcasm given the $1.5B pre-seed for a team w a high schooler and goofy branding, but i mean it. make silicon valley more like silicon valley again
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incredibly grateful to be in business with @GVteam and @davemuni. we are honored by their conviction and trust. they did cut the blooper reel but i'm optimistic they'll release it later
Progress in AI starts with asking better questions. Excited to back @FlappyAirplanes, founded by Ben Spector (@bfspector), Asher Spector (@amspector100) & Aidan Smith (@aidanmantine). The team is taking a principles-first approach in forging new paths to AI breakthroughs.
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There might be fast takeoff at SFO, but people are forgetting about it in AI. We're building Flapping Airplanes to train models radically differently and fly over the data wall. We can’t wait to show you what we’ve been working on soon.
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so true @ebarschkis
An airplane doesn't need to flap its wings like a bird to fly. While LLMs might not achieve a human-like intelligence, for what it's worth, they don't necessarily need to.
Announcing Flapping Airplanes! We’ve raised $180M from GV, Sequoia, and Index to assemble a new guard in AI: one that imagines a world where models can think at human level without ingesting half the internet.
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