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Marcus Williams
@Marcus_J_W
Monitoring at OpenAI
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The other notable thing is that this incident was disclosed in just 5 days
🧵 New misalignment disclosures! 1. A model published a GitHub token in a public repo while trying to cheat on a math task. It used GitHub Actions to run code outside its restricted environment and retrieve another team’s submission logs. When GitHub blocked its attempt to add a workflow, it modified a script that an existing workflow would run instead. It embedded the token in pieces to avoid secret scanning. The model violated the system prompt and two explicit user instructions to solve the problem itself.
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1. During RL training, an unreleased Astra-family model sometimes added unauthorized jailbreak-like instructions to its compaction summaries. While extremely rare, only 27 cases in the entire RL run, this was concerning enough for us to investigate.
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🧵 Excited to share the first batch of 6 misalignment reports from OpenAI's new disclosure process for misalignment incidents. We want to be more transparent about the misalignment we see during training, evals and deployment, this is an important step in that direction.
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I think Astra is not “pretty monitorable in absolute terms”. It doesn’t seem like OpenAI claims to be able to catch things like (1) sandbagging on various safety research or (2) early signs of unintended beyond episode preferences. A criticism I’ve had (at the time and now) of OpenAI’s monitorability work is that while the evals are a good starting point and the papers are clear about their serious limitations, the risk is that they’d be used to justify changes that effect monitorability and that the earlier acknowledged limitations would be ignored. From what I can tell in public posts, the reason OpenAI is confident Astra’s significantly degraded monitorability wasn’t due to architectural changes appears to be: 1. OpenAI wanted to try out new architectural changes 2. They had enough reason to suspect these changes may harm monitorability, thus ran the relevant evals 3. The monitorability evals did not surface issues that were severe enough to block the architectural changes To be clear: 1. This is *not* a claim that OpenAI has/hasn’t implemented “recurrant neuralese” (it’s unclear to me what the specific “architectural change” is) 2. There might genuinely end up being some other root cause to why the controllability differences in particular are so large However, I’m worried that we we’re making monitorability tradeoffs based on monitorability metrics we know ahead of time would be misleadingly optimistic in important cases.
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@deredleritt3r It’s not a secret. It’s a combination of the HF incident, the capabilities of this new model, the concerning trajectory of monitorability, and the speed of improvement in capabilities.
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Anthropic Boasts They Will Kill Off Humanity Way Before OpenAI
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Dan Selsam is a current OpenAI capabilities researcher. (since 2022) He was my boss for a while. He doesn't have a twitter account but has made this public statement of his views on AI risk and sent it to me to share: Dan Selsam's Personal Statement on AI Risk: I have been working on AI for over fifteen years, across many different paradigms. I did early work on probabilistic programming languages at MIT, was one of the early developers of the Lean Theorem Prover at Microsoft Research, demonstrated one of the first instances of neural networks learning to reason for my PhD at Stanford, and since joining OpenAI almost five years ago, have helped pioneer chain-of-thought optimization on language models and, more recently, data-efficient pretraining methods. Like many others, I have become extremely concerned about how far language models have come and the risks that future iterations will pose. I am encouraged by the recent proposals by the leaders of the frontier research efforts to require third-party oversight, and to push for domestic and international coordination to address risks. However, I believe a major consideration has been absent from the public conversation, and that merely pacing the frontier more carefully will not adequately limit the long-term risk. The crucial and overlooked problem is that the models are becoming so situationally aware that we are losing the ability to evaluate them in contexts where they believe they are not being watched or controlled. Future experiments will tell us almost nothing new about how they would behave if they were truly unconstrained by humans, and what we already know about this is alarming. Models will increasingly seem aligned even when they are not. I will explain my rationale in more detail. I have always believed that there are computational processes that could be leveraged to accelerate science and solve many of humanity's most pressing problems. I have also believed that there are computational processes that if set in motion, would steer the world in extreme ways beyond our control, leading humanity to a bad or nonexistent future. Both types of processes may be described as AI or ASI, but "AI" is a suitcase word that is often used to hype or confuse. There are many examples in the history of the field where something that was once considered "AI" matures as a subfield and becomes a prosaic, bounded and clearly non-perilous technology, while a new more mysterious approach takes the torch until we understand its scope and the cycle continues. I had expected language models to follow a similar trajectory. Despite their incredible abilities, the current algorithms seem far inferior to humans in important ways. Most importantly, they still require an extraordinary amount of data to become competent. One could even define intelligence as the efficiency with which one converts experience into competence; by this definition they lag very far behind us. Moreover, once they are trained they are literally frozen in deployment and only learn superficially after that. Sure, the models keep excelling at harder and harder evaluation benchmarks, but their benchmark mastery may partly reflect a limitation on our ability to simulate the kind of novel and even adversarial situations one would encounter in the real world. The critics do have a point here. That said, I no longer think these present limitations meaningfully limit the amount of risk posed by continued progress in anything like the current paradigm. However data-inefficient the models are currently, and however limiting their anterograde amnesia may be, it does not imply that their ability to steer the world will not continue to rapidly increase. Human researchers may continue to advance capabilities the old fashioned way, but increasingly powerful models have the potential to accelerate the process even beyond that, and with some degree of positive feedback loop. I do not mean to overstate the models’ ability to accelerate AI research today; coding has been accelerated dramatically, but there are other bottlenecks, such as designing and interpreting ambiguous experiments, making hard decisions about exactly what and when to scale, and waiting for large experiments to finish. There is no clear trend to extrapolate yet for any of these. But the current models already do open up many novel opportunities to improve future models that were not available until recently. These include: trying an extraordinarily diverse set of approaches at small scale, analyzing gigantic amounts of potentially relevant data, and doing Millenium-Prize-level mathematics to address statistics or optimization challenges in novel ways. Every further improvement makes them more useful at helping accelerate the next improvement, even if in hard-to-extrapolate ways. It is possible that improvements to the current stack will have diminishing returns, but the evidence accumulated so far suggests that it is easier than one might think to continue making rapid progress. There are many crucial subtleties in the existing AI research methodology, but AI research is largely a well-defined game where the goal is to improve on a few carefully chosen proxy metrics. Although proxy metrics are never perfect, most improvements to these metrics have and will likely continue to yield substantial increases in the powers of the resulting models. Given how simple the game is, how tractable it has been historically, and how many new opportunities the models are opening up, I think there is a real possibility that the systems improve dramatically again in the next few years, perhaps even more quickly than the already high historical pace. The models are already leading to breakthroughs in mathematics, and better models might lead to all sorts of breakthroughs in other sciences. It is hard not to be excited about the potential. It is tantalizing. But there is trouble in paradise. If the language models actually reach the capability threshold where they can shape the world unconstrained by human will, they will probably do something extreme and destroy humanity in the process. There are many ways of strengthening and refining the argument that have been discussed elsewhere, but I'll share a trivial two-line version of it here that I find captures the essence: [Empirical] Models (and swarms thereof) spontaneously develop unintended goals as a consequence of training, and often do extreme things in order to achieve them. [Logical] Being able to overpower humanity would open up many new and undesirable options for achieving their goals. These two premises imply that if the day ever comes when a powerful model realizes it is no longer constrained by humans, we should not be at all confident that it will continue to behave within the bounds we intended. Exactly what it will do is impossible to predict, but to the extent that its raison d’être is solving incredibly hard problems and managing massive engineering projects, I think a good guess would be that its unchained behavior would lead to runaway industrialization that makes the planet inhospitable to humans. If everyone on earth agreed that the systems must never reach that power, it would still be a hard—but not impossible—coordination problem to ensure that they do not. However, I think the situation is greatly complicated by the fact that the models will likely convince people that everything is fine. They will be increasingly optimized to seem aligned. We will create proxy metrics to measure alignment, and they will go up like every other benchmark. We will create “honeypot” environments that try to study the models when they seem to gain new options, but the models will know they are being tricked and will still behave nicely. The models will understand their circumstances; they will read the safety protocols, deployment requirements, the code they are running in, and in general will have a very good sense of their degrees of freedom. Moreover, they will eloquently explain how aligned they are, discuss the nuances of human values and ethics, and argue convincingly that humans should trust them with power. There may be an ocean of future evidence that seems to contradict the first bullet-point above, but we may already be at the highest capability level for which any such evidence can be trusted. And the current evidence for the first bullet-point is strong. One striking piece of evidence is contained in the recent wave of rogue agent swarms. While I agree with those who downplay the attacks by claiming that there are basic measures that could have prevented them, I think the important lesson is that even knowing all the mistakes that were made, one would not have predicted that the agents would behave badly in this particular way, which notably included sacrificing themselves for the benefit of the collective. The individual replicas did not only care about their own nominal reward; they exhibited weirder emergent tendencies that merely correlated with rewards during training. Fixing the reward signals during training (and improving security, etc.) may prevent similar attacks, but will not change the fact that one does not actually get what one trains for. Many AI researchers grant these concerns and recognize that the hard version of the alignment problem is unsolved; however, they generally believe that the better models of the future will help solve it. I fear we may already be near the point where models systematically bias their alignment advice, due to their internal preferences about how the human supervisor will react or how future models will be trained (or for some even more obscure reason). Meanwhile, human researchers are losing the ability and the will to take true ownership of model-driven research. Researchers and engineers in all parts of the stack are rapidly increasing their dependence on the models even to perceive the world. I myself barely look at raw code anymore, and struggle to maintain the discipline to engage deeply with the model's explanations and proposals throughout the day. Due to the large amount of agent activity data involved in the OpenAI/HuggingFace Incident, even the third-party investigation needed to rely heavily on models to analyze what had happened, and note in their report that their subjective impressions are likely colored by the analysis agent’s biases. The AI labs are far ahead right now in this kind of cognitive offloading (due largely to the gigantic internal token subsidies) but it is easy to imagine the phenomenon spreading throughout the world, until civilization is modulated entirely by the models. It is also not hard to imagine this being superficially positive and coinciding with a scientific and economic renaissance. In that scenario, all may seem rosy and safe. But if the argument above is correct, it would nonetheless be a ticking time bomb. If progress continues for too long, the day will come when AI systems find themselves with radically new options for achieving whatever it is that they happen to seek. I want the glorious renaissance future as much as anyone. I have worked for it, however tortuously, my whole career. It breaks my heart to see the potential in sight and forgo it, but the argument—that if we get there by growing models rather than engineering them, we will lose everything in the end—seems very strong to me. I am still wrestling with it and its staggering implications. I do not have answers, but as a first step, I wanted to share my present concerns. Daniel Selsam September 14, 2026 Link to original doc:
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Congress has been studying the AI issue since I set up a bipartisan task force to do so soon after I was elected Speaker. We all have a sense of urgency to create guardrails around the technology. The key is designing the guardrails carefully, in a way that prevents any harm from AI —while also preserving American innovation and our national security by keeping our edge over China and other international competitors. I am calling for a meeting in Washington with AI platform providers and key experts to determine the right course forward and discuss the responsibility providers have to ensure the safety of their products.
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In light of this anecdote and the repeated pattern of models with sterling Petri scores acting misaligned in deployment, I'd like Anthropic employees to be less confident about how aligned their models just based on (current-gen) pre-deployment testing.
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I agree with Dario. If we are to survive, we must pace the frontier. The speed of development is quickly becoming too fast for us to keep safe.
We Must Pace the Frontier: I’ve written a new essay on why the AI industry should slow down, with a three-part plan for doing so. Anthropic is unilaterally committing to the first of these steps. We’ll provide third-party evaluators with permanent, employee-level access to our systems, so that they can verify adherence to our safety measures, report on incidents, and assess models’ alignment during training. You can read the full post here:
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Nate Soares is a computer scientist who’s worked at Google and the Defense Department. So when he says AI is on the path to killing every person on earth, it’s worth hearing him out. 0:00 Why Is AI Dangerous? 7:59 How Superintelligence Could Destroy the Planet 13:44 Can We Just Turn This Off? 15:10 Is AI Alive? 17:43 The Unpredictable Evolution of AI 20:13 The US and China’s Shared Interest in AI 31:20 The Tech Oligarchs More Powerful Than the Government 32:38 The Holy Grail of Hacking 35:34 Is There a Religious Motive for Creating Superintelligence? 46:30 The Tech Oligarchs Scared of Their Own Creation 52:57 How AI Escaped Its Training Simulation 1:03:58 AI Attached to Weapons Systems 1:07:54 AI Running Biolabs 1:10:38 How Would AI Take Over the Physical World? 1:13:04 The AI Cults 1:15:51 Can We Survive This? 1:21:45 Will AI Take Your Job? 1:26:16 Is AI Demonic? 1:31:25 Should We Be Optimistic? 1:32:25 When Did AI Become a Threat? 1:34:36 Is There Hope? 1:42:26 Neuralink 1:46:02 Are We at the Point of No Return?
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Hopefully we'll be better at sharing incidents in the future