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Mike Vernal
@mvernal
Investor + Engineer @ @Conviction
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There are a number of incredible low-margin consumer services that have massively grown their operating profit (and their valuation) through an in-product advertising business: - Amazon: ~$80B - Uber: ~$2B - Doordash: ~$1B - Instacart: ~$1B It'll be interesting to see if this creates a modern form of the innovator's dilemma, i.e., enabling agentic use (which is unequivocally pro-customer) cuts deeply to their bottom line, creating opportunity for those that don't rely on ads for their operating profit (e.g., Shopify).
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A great regret is that I did not overlap much with @moritzKBE. His internal writing and oratory was just as insightful, incisive and enjoyable. Once (and I think only once), a meeting landed on my calendar with MM as host. I had zero context. I joined him and we sat down for an hour, opposite an individual (a founder? recruit? who knew?). The next 60 minutes was exactly as advertised. A charming, detailed exploration of the person's background and childhood. I think by the end of the meeting, we had arrived at the person's entrance to adulthood. We warmly wrapped the meeting and walked back to our desks. I was still confused but suspected this had been a founder meeting. Nothing (AFAICR) was uttered about his present company or its prospects. As we sat back at our desks, MM turned and said "well, that was pretty interesting, wasn't it?" One of my core lessons from venture is a bastardization of the opening of Anna Karenina. Mediocre investors are all alike; every great investor is great in their own way.
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I am biased but there are some pretty good companies on this list to think about joining: - Instinct is building the personal personal assistant - @KeenableAI is building the real-time search engine for agents, built by a cracked ex-search team - @quadrillionlabs is building the platform for auto-research - @trajectorylabs is building the platform for continual learning - @watneyrobotics is low-key managing all those AI data centers you keep hearing about You should think about joining them! All have <25 employees.
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I made a list of great startups to join. It's called the Breakout List. The list has 92 companies. These are the 20 with 25 or fewer employees: - Hone (@moritz_stephan, @CarloWillem, @oqbrady) - Normal (@ansonyuu, @hudzah) - Standard Intelligence (@G413N, @devanshpandey) - Tacit Labs (@ninklefitz, @AmDroste) - American Terawatt (@atroyn, @rslparker, @aranibatta) - Conduit (@clemvonstengel, @riopopper) - Convergent (Omkar Savant, Vivek Katara, @debnilsur) - Core Automation (@MillionInt, @_arohan_) - Engram (@dan_biderman, @EyubogluSabri, @realJessyLin) - Instinct (@noahrshinn) - Keenable (@styskin, Matthias Petri) - Lumaril (Mark Elliot, Ben Duffield) - Neion Bio (@Dimkell, Sam Levin) - Pangram Labs (@max_spero_, @bradley_emi) - Quadrillion (@echinaceous) - Re (@karnsaroya, @AnandDhillon, @thecliffwhite, @benaneesh) - Ricursive (@annadgoldie, @Azaliamirh) - Sail Research (@neilmovva, @blintzbase) - Trajectory (@rronak_, @michaelelabd, @QuantumArjun) - Watney Robotics (Sean Cheong, Ryan Gannon) Picks from Elad Gil, Charlie Songhurst, Keith Rabois, Mike Vernal, Alana Goyal, Sonya Huang, Ramtin Naimi, Marc Bhargava, Cory Levy, Aashay Sanghvi, Konstantine Buhler, John Luttig, Varun Gupta, Ray Tonsing and Avichal Garg. Disclosure: I'm a small investor in American Terawatt, Convergent, Standard Intelligence and Trajectory (in this post), and in Factory, Physical Intelligence and SF Compute (elsewhere on the list). I didn't vote. The full list is on Breakout List.
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One of the crazier facts about venture is that it seems consistently possible to build a small community of college-aged kids that is incredibly talent dense, e.g.: - Thiel Fellows (ETH, Figma, I think Cognition) - KP Fellows (Opensea, also Figma) - Dorm Room Fund (Cursor) - Prod (Mercor, Etched, also Cursor) - Neo Scholars (Cog, also Cursor) Other than Neo (@neo) though, this hasn't really become anyone's dominant strategy.
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there are very few decisions that you'll make in your life that actually matter. if you're lucky, maybe 2-3 every decade. joining drf was one of them for me. cursor, dandy, amp, the best friends i'll ever have, all in an ±18 month period with the same 40?ish people. insane
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What happens as the cost of creating software goes to zero?
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Sequence Holdings + DFO in the biggest AI transformation deal ever. Just getting started
The @clay team keeps on quietly cooking. They are building the self-learning GTM engine for any business. Congrats to @vxanand, @kareemamin and team!
Today we're announcing our Series D: $115M raised, led by @Wellington_mgmt, at a $7.1B valuation. Fundraises are good moments to reflect on our journey so far. Act 1 was aggregating the best data. Act 2 was building the GTM infrastructure (audiences, workflows, agents) to run any campaign on top of that data. Now we are entering Act 3: creating the self-learning revenue engine to grow every business. @Clay will predict the next best action for your business and help you take it. Sometimes, that might be a tweak to a subject line or ad copy. Other times, it might be a suggestion to change your marketing strategy, train your sellers differently, or even build a different product based on lost deal patterns.
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We just launched Keenable SELECT. It is an agent that queries the web as a database. Try it and share your best reports with us! Free through September.
Pranav (@pranavreddy): "I asked Claude to tell me how good a writer I was on a scale of 1-10. It kept refusing, insisting that my question came from a place of insecurity and it was unwilling to judge or evaluate me on this premise." Me: "I wonder what it would say if I asked?" Claude: "Ah, writing — that I can actually rate. Based on what I've seen: a solid 7." There were no winners in today's game.
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I always feel bad when I tweet a customer complaint on X, but I am grateful to @blakebarnes and the team who fixed it very quickly. :)
@mvernal @googlecalendar Update: this already works on Android (see attached). iOS and Web updates are coming soon. @mvernal now you can use those 3 hours to take a few more founder meetings @conviction! Video from the amazing Calendar team in Zurich, hence the +1 for dialing a US number.
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Legato is a super cool product. It's like the Meta Displays but w/o the at-times-awkward camera. It's initially focused on those with hearing loss – it's a lot more subtle than an in-ear hearing aid – but it also works great for calls and hands-free AI usage. Congrats @mehuligan & team!
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Hearing tech startup Legato emerges from stealth with $12M and a peek at its AI hearing glasses via @techcrunch
I thought this part was particularly interesting: How can we know that two engines are dependent? It is easy to measure. Engines converging on relevant results proves nothing. What they shouldn't share is mistakes. When two engines keep returning the same irrelevant documents for the same queries, the simplest explanation is a shared upstream index. Two students with the same right answer studied. Two students with the same wrong answer sat next to each other. We combine raw overlap and shared-mistake rate into a single chart.
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Perception: •⁠ ⁠This is the craziest founder reveal ever! •⁠ ⁠This is the most insane velvet-rope launch strategy ever! Reality: •⁠ ⁠Some people just prefer quietly building vs. tweeting •⁠ ⁠Compute is really scarce right now! Have you not been reading Twitter?
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Instinct is a personal agent that works. There are lots of personal agents. But we think Instinct is special because it really works — we want it to be able to do everything that a human could: use a phone, browse the web, make a note, take a call. We want Instinct to work for everyone. There’s a lot of companies building “AI for Enterprise” (and we invest in lots of those too!) but there doesn’t exist a proactive, capable product that tries to AI for the rest of us. I met Noah for the first time last August. By reference, and by first impression, he was obviously exceptional: Noah is down-to-earth, quietly competitive, and absurdly focused. He went from an undergraduate at Northeastern to industry-moving agent research shockingly quickly. @mvernal and I knew immediately we had to work with him. When Noah texted that he was raising a round, I flew back in early to talk to him— we’re really lucky he picked us. For the last ten months, I’ve spent almost every other Friday at the Instinct office. The Instinct team is small and opinionated. It’s a group that takes the responsibility of building the world’s personal agent very seriously but with joy. The reception we’ve had is a reflection of the thought and care that the team has put into every detail of how Instinct thinks about and talks to you. We @conviction are so proud to work with Instinct and Noah, and excited for what Instinct will do for all of you.
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So happy for @noahrshinn - I am proud his path to inevitable success led him through Sierra. He is one of a kind
Noah (@noahrshinn) and Instinct are both phenomenal. It's a really, really good product. We love it. And Pranav (@pranavreddy), who led the first round in the company, doubles as a very capable, WSJ-cited photographer!
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One of the cool, non-obvious things about building your own index and AI-native search experience is you optimize for a completely different set of things. Human queries are a couple of words and the human almost never looks past the first page of results (or even just the first result). An AI might pass thousands of tokens as query context and might read thousands of results. Google and its modern wrappers end up with an intrinsic bias towards human query patterns which is hard to break unless you start from scratch.
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I started my career working on search — at @neeva, we ran a crawler that hit a billion pages a day, and served live queries over an index of tens of billions of pages. I’ve spent four years thinking about search. Out of all problems in the world, it’s probably the one I know best, and I have a special love for search people. A thesis we @conviction hold is that, to make them more capable, we should give models access to the same tools humans have: a CLI, a browser, search. But the best version of those tools for an agent don’t look exactly the same as they do for humans. Human searchers are lazy — they type short queries, don’t read more than the first couple results, they prefer listicles to research papers. Building search for agents rhymes, but it’s different. Models will write queries with thousands of words, use the most sophisticated of filters, read thousands of results all at the same time. There’s a lot of people working on search for agents — @styskin is obviously the best of them. Yandex is one of the few companies in the world that can claim they beat Google anywhere, the entire @KeenableAI team has solved the litany of problems you run into only when you’ve run a production search engine. Crawl is like building a fab, there isn’t a short description of what goes wrong, but a million hard earned paper cuts. We’re really proud to work with Keenable, and thrilled for every agent you use to be powered by them.
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At this point, pre-training basically consumes all extant human knowledge. @KeenableAI provides the rest – it is a constantly updating, versioned, AI-native index of human knowledge built by an insanely cracked team of search engineers (led by @styskin, the former CEO of Yandex Search). We are incredibly bullish this team and product. If you are interested in using it or helping to build it, please reach out and happy to connect you.
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Today we are announcing @KeenableAI, an AI-native index of the best human knowledge we have, starting with the open web. AI seems to know just about everything until you ask it about something you know deeply. The answer isn’t wrong, but it's just very average. We started Keenable to fix this problem: every model and every agent should be able to query, reason over, and continuously learn from the living web. Backed by a $26M Seed from @Accel and @conviction. Built by the team that took on Google at Yandex Search, with researchers and engineers from Amazon AGI, X, and Perplexity. The Web Search API and Web Query Language for AI are live now. Together they make the web queryable at AI scale. Both are free until end of September. Seven days of benchmarks, stories, and launches ahead. Let your agents search.
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I cannot understand why @googlecalendar does not recognize a phone number in the location field and just link it to a phone call vs. sending me to Google Maps to search for a phone number. I want to go work at Google for three hours just to fix this.
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