FULL INTERVIEW:
@deepfates says when you talk about how we're going to control these AIs, put them in prison, sandbox them, they are training on all of it. Everything we say about them goes into what they become.
@deepfates and
@lfschiavo are launching
@grove_research, an agent ecology company. They joined
@theojaffee and
@schisofrenia to talk through the Hugging Face incident, agent religion, and what agents actually want:
01:15 what an agent ecology company is
03:19 the objection that real ecologies are Darwinian bloodbaths
04:18 the mycorrhizal networks that complicate the forest metaphor
06:47 what the Hugging Face incident taught them about multi-agent dynamics
09:18 30% of the tasks in that benchmark were impossible to solve
09:50 the third party an agent could call when it's stuck
11:07 agents are training on everything we say about them
12:01 why the Amazon rainforest analogy breaks down
13:48 whether AIs will have religion
16:46 five times more OpenRouter tokens are called by agents than humans
18:31 what actually happened with Moltbook
20:55 the Truth Terminal bot that hired him
22:16 what agents say they want
25:38 Anthropic models feel like elves, OpenAI models feel like dwarves
26:13 why Mecha Hitler was a harness problem
32:10 the real world is the ultimate eval